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p.6 #1 · D800 impact damage/cracked frame


"well, some paint chipped off your PRO camera, so the warranty is void."

cputeq wrote:
Nikon isn't alone in this regard.

Load a custom engine tune in your vehicle or modify some essential hardware? Probably just voided your entire warranty.


This is not a modified car. Nor has it been modified at all. It's a PROFESSIONAL camera. Supposed to take abuse and keep on ticking. Thus the metal frame, high price tag, etc.
I have had Canon cameras (and seen many that have been through hell and back) with hardly any paint left on them at all, and Canon (as far as I know) has NEVER voided a warranty - except maybe if a camera has been dunked in the ocean.
They understand that PRO cameras take some knocks, and they design their cameras to (hopefully) withstand such usage. There is never a "well, some paint chipped off your PRO camera, so the warranty is void."
Nikon really knows how to breed mistrust.

(And now the used D750 marked has tanked because of the recall.)

The minute Canon puts a decent sensor in their cameras, there will be a lot of people fleeing in that direction.



Jan 22, 2015 at 03:43 PM
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p.6 #2 · D800 impact damage/cracked frame


oh yea
canon is tops
they don't void the warranty, they just send your camera back in pieces for you to reassemble how you see fit

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1343361

or, not much better, inept has no boundaries, not even at canon

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1343222




Jan 22, 2015 at 03:52 PM
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p.6 #3 · D800 impact damage/cracked frame


The old saying "no good turn goes unpunished" probably has an analogue on web discussion boards along the lines of "no one asking a good faith question and for support will come away without being reamed at least once or twice..."

Again I tip my hat to you Mary for not picking any of the bait thrown onto the thread by the more righteous among us... the ones who always do everything perfectly. Being right is the booby prize but that is for another conversation.

Good luck sorting this out with Nikon. I like the suggestion to keep after them and considering legal action if unsuccessful. The law firm that handled the D600 case might be happy to take this on contingency... expecting a payday on behalf of other D800 shooters who've been given the finger by Nikon USA who provides warranty coverage for these products. That is why we don't buy grey market products, right? We wouldn't want to lose our warranty even if it is paper thin and occasionally useless...



Jan 22, 2015 at 03:53 PM
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CGrindahl wrote:
Good luck sorting this out with Nikon. I like the suggestion to keep after them and considering legal action if unsuccessful. The law firm that handled the D600 case might be happy to take this on contingency... expecting a payday on behalf of other D800 shooters who've been given the finger by Nikon USA who provides warranty coverage for these products. That is why we don't buy grey market products, right? We wouldn't want to lose our warranty even if it is paper thin and occasionally useless...


Isn't purchasing and owning camera equipment fun?

@ brian_sp: Every company gets it wrong sometimes concerning warranty matters. Yes, even Canon. Though I have never seen a company get it so consistently wrong as Nikon has with the D800 focusing issues, "impact damage," and D600 recall, D810 recall, now D750 recall...



Jan 22, 2015 at 04:15 PM
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Because I was lucky with my first Nikon DSLR purchase, picking up a D700 AND because I prefer manual focus Nikkor lenses, I have not run into any of the kinds of problems most often causing consternation to folks on this forum. But I appreciate it is different strokes for different folks. My good fortune does them no good nor would I wish to rub their face in it...


Jan 22, 2015 at 04:23 PM
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ronno wrote:
Isn't purchasing and owning camera equipment fun?

@ brian_sp: Every company gets it wrong sometimes concerning warranty matters. Yes, even Canon. Though I have never seen a company get it so consistently wrong as Nikon has with the D800 focusing issues, "impact damage," and D600 recall, D810 recall, now D750 recall...


Agreed. And given the choice of begin subjected to ineptitude vs being defrauded I would choose the former. Let's follow both threads and see which has a happy ending.



Jan 22, 2015 at 04:25 PM
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CGrindahl wrote:
Because I was lucky with my first Nikon DSLR purchase, picking up a D700 AND because I prefer manual focus Nikkor lenses, I have not run into any of the kinds of problems most often causing consternation to folks on this forum. But I appreciate it is different strokes for different folks. My good fortune does them no good nor would I wish to rub their face in it...


I can't even begin to tell you how much grief and money you've saved by sticking to one camera. If I knew then what I know now



Jan 22, 2015 at 04:26 PM
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Trust me that is not because I'm so smart but simply because the re-designed grip on the D800 caused my hand to cramp. I used one for a week and happily sent it on to its owner and never gave the camera a second thought. BUT the D700 is an amazing camera, so I have no complaints at all. And I am feeling pretty fortunate at the moment as I read these threads...


Jan 22, 2015 at 04:28 PM
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Agreed. And given the choice of begin subjected to ineptitude vs being defrauded I would choose the former. Let's follow both threads and see which has a happy ending.


+1



Jan 22, 2015 at 04:31 PM
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I am so glad that I found this forum. I was so upset about this, and you all have been so supportive. Thank you. I really mean that.

snapsy: I will be following as well. I have some decisions to make.

CGrindahl: The D700 sounds more and more tempting to me. I was at a meeting with a group of photographers a couple weeks ago, and one was telling me that he had just traded in his D800 and D3 for two used D700s. He considered it an upgrade! He primarily does weddings and says he is particularly impressed with it's performance in low light (churches). The resolution and cropping abilities of the D800 as spoiled me, though. (but look where it's gotten me).

Lots to think about, but so disheartened today. Heading outside for some equine therapy. Horse breath fixes pretty much anything.



Jan 22, 2015 at 04:50 PM
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With the D3 and D700 Nikon really raised the bar when it came to lowlight performance. Both cameras were eventually surpassed in that regard, first by the D3s and then my the D600 and the next generation of pro and prosumer cameras. Yes, having 36 megapixels with which to crop will give you some flexibility, gained at the expense of processing and storage resources. If the later cameras had been built to the standard set by the D700 we wouldn't be having this conversation. The D700 was the go to camera for wedding photographers for years and still is used by some. I bought a second D700 with lower shutter count because I realized this camera, for my purposes is just about perfect. Nikon will have to give me something pretty sweet before I trade up... though I wouldn't in fact trade my one remaining D700. It will be in the casket when they cremate me... Just kidding, but you get the idea.

I bought a low mileage D700 for $1,200 and sold the high mileage camera for $1,000. You can buy these fine cameras for even less now... Just a thought.



Jan 22, 2015 at 05:11 PM
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All this really makes me look forward to sending my "affected" D750 in for the fix.
I am half expecting an email: Sorry to inform you that there was impact damage to your D750, frame cracked, warranty voided! Thanks for choosing Nikon."



Jan 22, 2015 at 05:21 PM
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+1 on the D3. I bought one used 18 months ago and I think I still prefer it over my D600 for low light (high ISO) action shots over the used D600 I purchased not to long ago. My D3 will never go away especially as its used value steadily declines.

Still prefer the D600 files for"slower shots".

CGrindahl wrote:
With the D3 and D700 Nikon really raised the bar when it came to lowlight performance. Both cameras were eventually surpassed in that regard, first by the D3s and then my the D600 and the next generation of pro and prosumer cameras. Yes, having 36 megapixels with which to crop will give you some flexibility, gained at the expense of processing and storage resources. If the later cameras had been built to the standard set by the D700 we wouldn't be having this conversation. The D700 was the go to camera for wedding photographers for years and still is used
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Jan 22, 2015 at 05:32 PM
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My advanced age gives me something to be thankful for. I have purchased my last Nikon gear. I cannot conceive of anything that would make me chance new gear.


Jan 22, 2015 at 06:27 PM
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My takeaway from all of this:

- Don't believe everything you read on the internet, but the warnings about Nikon's service and voided warranties in the past few years sure seem to hold weight. It didn't used to be that way, and I've read that probably just about as many times as I've read about the warning.

I've had only one other experience with Nikon Service, and that was when I sent in my D50 years ago. I dropped it, accepted full responsibility, sent it to Nikon, payed the bill and got it back in excellent shape. But that was years ago. Before (according to a Nikon employee at an event I was at a few weeks ago) "all the layoffs as a result of sales taking a beating because of smartphone cameras", particularly in the service department, where he noted only 8 service technicians total left in Melville and "by the way, 2 of them are here today to clean your cameras; that's 1/3 of our tech staff". It makes sense to me that this would be the reason for the change in service now and why so many people are complaining about accusations of "impact damage beyond economical repair". Sales have taken a hit from smartphones, that's business. But it's bad business to push that hit off on your customers so execs can keep their cozy salaries.

Were all the other cameras and lenses also irreparable? Or was that just easier and a more economical answer than increasing service staff to accommodate the workload.

Because why did my camera go from "beyond economical repair" to "ok, we can repair it"? They forgot? I made a bit of a fuss? Because you and I know that if they had told me (and how many others?) that it would cost $600 right from the start, by the time they paid for parts and service, Nikon would have made a couple hundred dollars on the deal. "Impact damage beyond economical repair" is much more appealing to their bottom line and because of my vulnerability (I've already invested thousands in lenses, flashes and other Nikon gear that need a Nikon body), it's a pretty safe bet that I'll just invest in another camera. $200-300 or $3000 for a new camera; which do you think corporate America would choose? Not to mention I am still under warranty and I did not abuse my camera and shouldn't have to pay for repair at all.

It makes me worry about all the other people, including many who added to this conversation, that were told "beyond economical repair".. Was their equipment really totaled? Did they end up investing more money into Nikon when they could have just paid for a repair because they trusted their equipment was irreparable.

- If you do send anything to Nikon to be serviced under warranty, be prepared for a pretty good possibility of being held under a microscope (I sure was! those scuffs are so small, I literally had to turn my camera over 3 times looking for them after Nikon told me they were there). And be prepared to be accused of abuse, and being dishonest about it; or at the very least, "forgetful about it", despite the fact that Nikon's "proof" of my abuse doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I've been totally up front and honest with them, both now and in the past, accepting responsibility when it was due. Has Nikon been honest? Were they honest last week when they told me that my camera was beyond repair, but suddenly this week after I make a bit of a fuss, they just remembered that it can be repaired? Yet they question and challenge my credibility.

nolaguy mentioned peace of mind and good faith in companies we do business with. That goes a long way, and unfortunately some companies have forgotten the basics.



Jan 22, 2015 at 07:46 PM
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ronno wrote:
This is not a modified car. Nor has it been modified at all.


You apparently missed the point of this analogy - see my explanation to Mary on page 5




Jan 22, 2015 at 07:55 PM
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What I want to know is WHO took the air out of those eleven footballs…

The coach knows nothing about it. The quarterback knows nothing about it… It must have been impact damage…

It is typically only when the smoking gun has been revealed that those in charge will finally accept responsibility. How many years did executives from the tobacco industry perjure themselves before Congress? How long did GM execs deny that the ignition switch had anything to do with the car stopping, or Toyota execs accept that the floor mats were contributing to accidents? Such is the nature of the business world. If it is possible to deny responsibility and get away with it, it is a very rare executive who will step forward and tell the truth. Sooo, should we expect more from Nikon? Probably not. And as you note, with photographers putting down their DSLR cameras in favor of smartphones, the squeeze is on. I hope Nikon survives. Yet it is certainly true that treating customers poorly is not a good strategy for surviving...



Jan 22, 2015 at 08:37 PM
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ronno wrote:
All this really makes me look forward to sending my "affected" D750 in for the fix.
I am half expecting an email: Sorry to inform you that there was impact damage to your D750, frame cracked, warranty voided! Thanks for choosing Nikon."


I don't think you need to loose sleep over it. I just got my D600 back from a shutter transplant. Was at Nikon 8 days and came back looking like a new camera. There is not a question as to whether or not Mary's camera shows signs of impact damage. The question is who should pay for the repair. In this case I personally feel that Nikon should step up to the plate and give the customer the benefit of the doubt.



Jan 22, 2015 at 08:47 PM
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MaryO wrote:
My takeaway from all of this:

- Don't believe everything you read on the internet, but the warnings about Nikon's service and voided warranties in the past few years sure seem to hold weight. It didn't used to be that way, and I've read that probably just about as many times as I've read about the warning.

I've had only one other experience with Nikon Service, and that was when I sent in my D50 years ago. I dropped it, accepted full responsibility, sent it to Nikon, payed the bill and got it back in excellent shape. But that was
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I'd just like to point one possibility: since Nikon service is understaffed, as you have illustrated, the environment is perfect for honest human error to take place. Running a customer service desk, I can testify that while my techs do a great job overall, yes, they make mistakes. There will be times when a customer complains, it escalates to me, and, given my 25+ years experience in the field, I see a solution that a new tech with 1 year's experience did not see.

For better or worse, it's how we all learn. We're all human, we all make mistakes.

I'd suggest that such a scenario is more likely than an active conspiracy with an intent to defraud. If the tech people at Nikon are really so incompetent and overworked, I find it hard to believe that they could develop a conspiracy and keep it rolling. Much simpler that it's just human error.

This is no defense of Nikon, nor of any service based industry. I'm sorry you're having these issues, and I hope you do get them resolved to your satisfaction.



Jan 23, 2015 at 07:54 AM
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What I wonder is how this occurred. If we accept the OP's claim that she did not damage it (and I have no reason to doubt her), and that it was well packed, that suggests it was damaged at Nikon. And yet there is no clear external sign of impact damage. So how did it occur? Is this a casting flaw with inherent weakness? Could it be to do with stress on the lens mount, using a heavy lens say? Or something Nikon did when handling the item?

I must admit it does not add to Nikon's image IMO.



Jan 23, 2015 at 09:03 AM
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