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Evan Baines
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p.1 #1 · Family Matriarch


Haven't posted on here in a bit... I've been very busy with school and life, and haven't done many portraits lately. While I was visiting my wife's family over Christmas I did snap a quick portrait of her Nanny on request. She can be a bit self-conscious, so I just snapped two rolls (24 frames) out front when I felt the light was decent, without making a big production of it. I liked how this one came out.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/1253745f209ccfd82dd9006b58824677/tumblr_nhv41hmL1Q1thr3pco1_1280.jpg



Jan 08, 2015 at 09:36 AM
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p.1 #2 · Family Matriarch



Nice, Evan. I like your soft processing here. It works well with your subject.



Jan 08, 2015 at 11:39 AM
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p.1 #3 · Family Matriarch


very nice. Understated and elegant.


Jan 08, 2015 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #4 · Family Matriarch


Very nice, love the tones. Beautiful soft light too with nice definition of her features. Looks like you caught her being herself.

What film were you using, if I might ask?



Jan 08, 2015 at 12:52 PM
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p.1 #5 · Family Matriarch


Thanks all!

This is HP5 on the 'Blad, cropped to 8x10.




Jan 08, 2015 at 12:56 PM
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p.1 #6 · Family Matriarch


Lovely soft light Evan and nice use of DoF....

Looks a bit hot on my monitor. The lace is starting to loose detail zone IX+. I'm sure when you print you will hold that detail. Probably plenty of info there in the shoulder of the curve. Could even be lost in the host site you are using. Looks like it will make a wonderful print.



Jan 08, 2015 at 01:02 PM
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p.1 #7 · Family Matriarch


Thanks brother! You're right about the lace. There's some more info in the scan, and I'm sure plenty more on the negative as a lower contrast film in open shade should have tons of room. I'll probably fuss with the scan a bit to burn that down, and when Robert makes the print I'm sure he'll hold that detail.


Jan 08, 2015 at 02:02 PM
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p.1 #8 · Family Matriarch


Not gonnna print it yourself? There is probably plenty in the shoulder to give nice detail in the lace. If you were printing it yourself I would say after it starts coming up in the tray pull the print out and breath on the area that you want a little more detail in. A little hot water burning LoL... But it works.


Jan 08, 2015 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #9 · Family Matriarch


I always have Robert print my B&W. I have mucked around a darkroom some, but he's truly a genius and makes my work look almost-competent with his mastery of the craft. That he is so reasonably-priced is one of the mysteries of life for which I am very grateful.

http://www.cavallistudios.com/

**EDIT**

Worked on the scan a bit... the other was straight from the lab with just a crop.

http://bainesphoto.com/files/gimgs/41_nanny-6.jpg



Jan 08, 2015 at 04:15 PM
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p.1 #10 · Family Matriarch


Evan I could never let anyone else print my personal stuff. Only I know exactly what it is supposed to look like and no one can print my stuff like I can.


Looks much better in my opinion. She has a great face and you did a great job capturing her.





Jan 08, 2015 at 09:50 PM
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p.1 #11 · Family Matriarch


airfrogusmc wrote:
Evan I could never let anyone else print my personal stuff. Only I know exactly what it is supposed to look like and no one can print my stuff like I can.

Looks much better in my opinion. She has a great face and you did a great job capturing her.



Thanks brother.

I've actually really grown to like the collaboration between Robert and me. We discuss the images on the phone, and different ideas for printing them... sometimes he comes up with ideas I never would have considered, but that really work with my original intent.

I understand that for some, giving up control over printing is anathema... but for me I enjoy the collaboration, and as I said before Robert is simply a much more talented printer than I am or am likely to become any time soon.



Jan 09, 2015 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #12 · Family Matriarch


As long as it is working. But if you are really going to get into the zone system at some point you are going to have to do the tests and dare I say print it yourself. Good luck with the journey and please keep sharing your wonderful images. You are truly a cut above most.


Jan 09, 2015 at 11:54 AM
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p.1 #13 · Family Matriarch


I very much like the expression you captured here. It has that honesty that I always appreciate about your photography. As a viewer, I wouldnt know that she was self-conscious (a testament to your engagement with her). I find the softer contrast very fitting of her in this portrait. But that is where my question lies.

I have shot film on and off since 2008. I honestly only shoot film so I can shoot a Leica. I find it very difficult to get a consistent look shooting film, but enjoy shooting a Leica so much that I do it anyway! I recently acquired a mint one owner M3 and 50mm DR Summicron. It's an absolute beauty and I love shooting it! I have shot 5 rolls thus far and have two rolls of HP5 that are unprocessed at this point. I have always been a contrast whore (and probably over do it most times) so when I look at your initial post I want to say 'that is way too gray...where are the blacks?'.

Did you shoot this HP5 at ASA400? Did you pull process? Is the flatter tonal range a result of the scan? Ideally for my personal work (dont do much portait work) I would prefer a pure black point.



Jan 09, 2015 at 12:25 PM
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p.1 #14 · Family Matriarch


He has a nice rich black on the collar and the shadows under her hands. Nice detail everywhere I'd say. A full range image. Not any blocked highlights or shadows where detail is important. Thats the real problem with a lot of what we see today. Many haven't spent the time looking at say Adams silver gelatin or Stieglitz's Platinum prints in person not on the web. Just back from some time in Nothern New Mexico and a while at the Andrew Smith gallery in Santa Fe. Spending time with zone system prints by Adams and some of Westons Point Lobos works can be very humbling to say the least but time well spent just to be able to see where the bar has been set.
Forgot to say that for portraits, in some cases, a softer, less contrasty image is more desirable where in other types maybe a bit more contrast is appropriate. It really boils down to what you are trying to say visually and how that contrast or lack of helps the overall visual statement.



Jan 09, 2015 at 12:39 PM
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p.1 #15 · Family Matriarch


I am not overly familiar with the zone system, so excuse the question if it's a silly one. Do photographers who operate in ever changing conditions ever concern themselves with getting all 10 zones in every image? It seems that the zone system is perfect for measured shots where the photographer can wait for perfect light (ie, an Adams landscape) but it would be almost impossible to do as a photojournalist/street photographer/wedding photographer/etc.


Jan 09, 2015 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #16 · Family Matriarch


A few notes on the contrast:

1. The first version was more or less straight from the lab scan. Since I'm not really doing this for a living and don't expect my rather modest ability or old-fashioned stylistic bent to attract much internet notoriety, I've gotten a bit lazy about editing my scans for the screen. Usually, I just use the scans to identify the shots I like, and worry about the finer points in the prints as I consult with Robert. So, the second version I posted does have a darker black point, and I agree the first was a bit too grayed out...

2. I think both Alan and Chuck are right on about the "zone system" and tonal values. In my experience, the desired tonality has shifted in the medium with both technology and shooting style. The pictorialists were fairly loose about acceptable tonal ranges, especially given the proliferation of what we now call alternative processes at the time. The f/64 generation of photographers shot mostly sheet film, and a full tonal range was considered technical perfection. This coincided nicely with the perfectly sharp and detailed negatives being produced with this technology, and also the more stationary and deliberate style and subject-matter. In the latter half of the 20th century, the proliferation of smaller formats and roll-film cameras made a strict adherence to deliberately controlled tonal values impractical, and the lower fidelity of the formats lent themselves to a more graphic and immediate rendition. In the 50's and 60's, coinciding with the rise of 35mm, one sees a dramatic increase in the desired amount of contrast in most images, often at the expense of a "full" tonal range. This was a major subject of dissent between older and younger photographers a few generations ago, now largely forgotten by most current practitioners. I've been spending a lot more time lately looking at photographers in the pre Leica-M era, who mostly shot for a more complete tonal range, and also shooting more 4x5 which also lends itself in that direction. Thus, I'm shooting more shots with modest contrast but richer tones.

3. I'm also shooting this shot and others like it on a 45 year old lens, which is single coated and less contrasty than modern lenses. It gives a more vintage character inherently, and part of the reason I generally even avoid shooting T grain films on my Hasselblad.

4. I've also noticed that especially with the ladies, photographers and their subjects often differ on the desirable contrast and light ratios. For this shot, part of the game was pleasing the subject, so I erred on the side of soft wherever possible. Soft light, soft contrast, softer film (IE Ilford tends to be more red sensitive and creamy IMHO), and a vintage lens that's not unforgivingly sharp at the aperture used.

So to answer your last question, the zone system is really only for sheet film. Compressing the full range of tones into an image (generally achieved by overexposing and under-developing most films) is a style that largely mimics the aesthetic of the larger formats and is often seen as more old-fashioned, while higher contrast imagery is associated with the more spontaneous approaches of the later 20th century where fine detail was less important than mood, gesture, and concept. "Correct" tonality has been a moving target throughout the history of photography, and continues to be so now with the proliferation of HDR techniques and such.

Obviously lots of generalizations and there are a million exceptions, but I'm trying to offer some general historical context.




Jan 09, 2015 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #17 · Family Matriarch


Yes, to do the zone system correctly you need to meter and adjust negative development for each sheet. I used to use principles of it with my blad with 120 backs (12 exposures) and shoot the roll in the same light and that would yield really good results. I had of course tested the film, developer, camera, lens, enlarge and enlarging lens just as if I were shooting large format.

If you ever get a chance to see the famous Stieglitz shot of O'Keeffes hands with the thimble in person, many people if posted to a forum would tell Stieglitz it's flat and dark. But if you see the print, the tones are just amazing. All the stuff in the shadows are not blocked but subtle and so beautiful.

Evan, I'm sure from your exposure and process you will enjoy a wonderful full range print that negative and what's even more important a very real and honest portrait of someone whose dignity and character are jumping off the print. THe technique matches the intent so well. Nicely seen and photographed.



Jan 09, 2015 at 03:42 PM





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