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I'm in love with this series. Really, really nice work. The compositions are all seemingly straight forward but certainly have a subtle complexity about them that shows that you really perfected them before tripping the shutter. The quality of light and the film look is certainly a breath of fresh air. #4 is definitely my favorite ... I love the dark tones. It's just so rich and decadent. Great job.


Nov 20, 2014 at 09:26 PM
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p.2 #2 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Dang, these are nothing but perfection in my eyes!
Outstanding work!!
Greg



Nov 20, 2014 at 09:30 PM
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p.2 #3 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Yes, very impressive work. Composition, color all superb. Very inspiring. May I ask, did you process this series yourself?


Nov 20, 2014 at 09:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Good lord man...these are insanely gorgeous!!! Love the colour and water...and Thank You for sharing!


Nov 20, 2014 at 09:38 PM
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p.2 #5 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Absolutely beautiful, thank you for sharing.


Nov 20, 2014 at 09:53 PM
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p.2 #6 · Zion National Park (4x5)


These are great.

Not to diminish the compositions, which are very good, but the 4x5 quality really shines.

The resolution and tonality are very noticeable. I feel many of times you don't appreciate large or medium format properly online, but this shines through.

This makes me want to shoot 4x5.





Nov 20, 2014 at 10:00 PM
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p.2 #7 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Wow, thanks so much everyone! I'm blown away by the kind words. Of course we all shoot for different reasons, but it's very encouraging to hear good words about one's own work. Very appreciated.

ben egbert wrote:
Very very nice. I am impressed that you made so many trips in. I like the colors and exposures, they vindicate the processing I have been doing in there. I was planning to show that scene in the first image on Saturday.

My only nit is that I prefer a faster shutter for water, but with film you probably did not have a lot of choice, and you probably prefer the silky look judging by aperture selection.


The water thing is of course up to everyone's taste, but there really isn't a way around it...especially with my wide angle lens. The filters I use will vignette on my 90mm lens if I use any camera movements. Therefore, the only way for me to have adequate depth of field is stopping down. However, even with camera movements, my shutter will be too slow to retain water detail. It's something I've had to adjust my taste to. I find now that I quite like the silky look.
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dswiger wrote:
Alan,
Some very nice exposures. Hard to pick a favorite, may be 1,2,4 & 5?
Thanks for the narrative too. I think I could learn some stuff from you.
I think the Velvia 50 shot is the most brave
It was also comforting in some way to hear your "struggles" as I have had many of the same types of experiences.
This is an encouragement to me as I struggle to get consistency in my 4x5 shooting/processing.

Thanks for posting

Dan

Always happy to share so that others can learn from my mistakes! One thing I didn't mention was that I did pull a dark slide with the shutter open once on this trip. LF is always humbling.
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wayne seltzer wrote:
Very nice set!
My favorite is #4 because of the glow lighting.
It is an icon spot for the Narrows.
Approximately what time does the light glow in that spot and what part of the Wall St. section is that located?
Is there only some times of the year that you get this light in that spot or all year long?


It's an afternoon shot, but I don't know what times of year it is present. I've only been in the fall, and this is the only time I've shot it.
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killersnowman wrote:
wow three is my fav. even though some may complain about color casts or what ever, i feel it really gives a great mood and feel to the image

I really struggled with this, but after looking at it for a week, I'm lost as to how to correct it. In fact, I'm not even certain anymore which color is causing the cast. I just chalk it up to color negative film being difficult for me to scan. I will say that it looks much better when it's not on a screen next to the other images. I debated leaving it out, but the hike is too hard in for me not to show it!
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zhangyue wrote:
So nice! love them all! you got my vote.


Nigel Turner wrote:
Excellent series Alan.. particularly numbers 1 and 2. Fantastic captures. Gets my vote!

There are many times when large format film vastly out performs digital and your images are testament to this.

Makes my image from the Narrows look very substandard by comparison.


Thanks for the votes guys!
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Colorado CJ wrote:
All excellent shots!

As a fellow 4x5 shooter, your shots are something to aspire to. I've been sticking with B&W because I can process it myself. I'm now going to have to try to get ahold of some Velvia 50, I've been meaning to, but it is hard to find.

A couple questions for you. What method did you use for calculating exposure times? Were you using a spot meter, or incidence/reflective meter? Who did you use for processing?

Your photos have made me "see the light". Going to look for some color slide film right now!

I used a spot meter and an app called reciprocity timer. I have found that if you have experience with the Zone System, then there really isn't anything to fear with color film. In fact, I kind of use zones when I shoot color.

For each of these shots, I only took one reading...I metered the brightest part of the white water. For Velvia 50, I placed this value so that it would be 2 stops overexposed. I would then check my shadows just to make sure they wouldn't be too dark. In image #5, the darkest parts were between -2.5 and -3, and I can tell you that there is plenty of detail there on the slide.

Color negative is a bit different in that I never let my shadows go below -2. In image #3, this meant I had to place my white water at +3 to get acceptable shadow detail. This is completely fine as it's nearly impossible to overexpose Ektar, but it looks terrible when underexposed.

Praus Productions lab developed the film and I scanned them all on an Epson V700.
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NCAndy wrote:
These are all great. I really like the tonality and contrast transitions, I guess the film look.

It's funny you mentioned having other people set up right next to you. I, and I'm sure many others here too, have had the same thing happen on a regular basis. I'm sure it's even worse when you shoot large format since you are an expert in their eyes. You are obviously.

Thanks, I really appreciate it! It was funny to watch, because they would all look at the tripod and then look at the scene (which was still dead with no light). I would see a puzzled look, but they always set up the tripod and took the shot.



Nov 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM
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p.2 #8 · Zion National Park (4x5)


These are just amazing. Great working nailing the exposure


Nov 20, 2014 at 11:48 PM
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p.2 #9 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Look them again, just great. #1 get my fav pick. I wonder what kind of tripod you use for the 15min shooting? Did you set up in water?
Again 90mm is equivalent to what focal in 35mm?



Nov 21, 2014 at 12:35 AM
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p.2 #10 · Zion National Park (4x5)


WOW! What a beautiful set of images! Each one is outstanding in it's own way. If I had to pick a fav it would be #2. I can only hope that if I get the chance to shoot the narrows my shots would be close to how nice yours turned out.


Nov 21, 2014 at 01:11 AM
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p.2 #11 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Stunning series



Nov 21, 2014 at 05:22 AM
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p.2 #12 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Great composition and colors. Nice series


Nov 21, 2014 at 06:13 AM
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p.2 #13 · Zion National Park (4x5)


You made the right call Alan. A fantastic set of images and the textures are superb. Wow, nothing else comes close to this look!


Nov 21, 2014 at 06:37 AM
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p.2 #14 · Zion National Park (4x5)


my wife would have said the same thing . thanks for sharing FINE JOB!!!!!



LOVE LIVE FILM



Nov 21, 2014 at 08:24 AM
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p.2 #15 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Hello Alan,

WOW! What amazing shots here! Exceptional work of art I do see. And great story and wonderful and admirable attitude of yours. I love all of the shots. Silly to tell you my preference. They are all excellent.
I do a few questions.
1. Did you develop the films yourself?
2. How do you manage the water flow which will make the tripod wobble.
3. Also, for the same reason.. how you guys manage the tripod stable with the strong wind?
4. After the film developed, what kind of post processing did you apply?
Of course.. you got my vote!



Nov 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM
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p.2 #16 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Wonderful images and great memories. I chuckled as you described your issues with the images. I have experienced the same type of thing many times. However, you stuck with it, got the shot and have some great images to show for it. Congratulations.

Ron



Nov 21, 2014 at 10:49 AM
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p.2 #17 · Zion National Park (4x5)


These are all outstanding images in their own right. Thanks for sharing!

-Nick



Nov 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM
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p.2 #18 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Beautiful place and awesome pics. Any idea what causes the green color of the water? It looks like the similar shade of green at Niagara Falls which is related to the sediments it contents.


Nov 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM
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p.2 #19 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Well done! Print them out and hang them as a set.


Nov 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM
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p.2 #20 · Zion National Park (4x5)


Thanks again everyone! I'll be sure and show this to my wife the next time she asks if I should take the digital camera...

ChrisKayler wrote:
I'm in love with this series. Really, really nice work. The compositions are all seemingly straight forward but certainly have a subtle complexity about them that shows that you really perfected them before tripping the shutter. The quality of light and the film look is certainly a breath of fresh air. #4 is definitely my favorite ... I love the dark tones. It's just so rich and decadent. Great job.

Thanks for taking the time to notice the compositions! I always enjoy looking at others' work whom I know have taken time to compose. It's almost like you can tell what they are thinking sometimes.
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conyon wrote:
Yes, very impressive work. Composition, color all superb. Very inspiring. May I ask, did you process this series yourself?

The film was developed by a lab in New York, then I did all the scanning. I do however develop all of my own black and white film.
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zhangyue wrote:
Look them again, just great. #1 get my fav pick. I wonder what kind of tripod you use for the 15min shooting? Did you set up in water?
Again 90mm is equivalent to what focal in 35mm?

I use an Oben carbon fiber tripod. It's the largest one they make. It was set up in water, but for the 15 minute shot it was only about a foot of water. A 4x5 90mm lens is the equivalent to a 28mm lens in the 35mm format.
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Kee Woo Rhee wrote:
Hello Alan,

WOW! What amazing shots here! Exceptional work of art I do see. And great story and wonderful and admirable attitude of yours. I love all of the shots. Silly to tell you my preference. They are all excellent.
I do a few questions.
1. Did you develop the films yourself?
2. How do you manage the water flow which will make the tripod wobble.
3. Also, for the same reason.. how you guys manage the tripod stable with the strong wind?
4. After the film developed, what kind of post processing did you apply?
Of course.. you got my
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Thanks Kee, and thanks so much for the vote!
1) I develop my black and white film, but send all color film to a lab.
2) Whenever I put my tripod in deep water, I hang extra weight off the center column. In this case, I carried a dry bag and filled it with water as my weight.
3) Wind is pretty much a no-go for large format work!
4) For the Velvia images, I scanned them very "flat" so that all detail was present. I then added a curves layer in PS for contrast. Finally, water tends to go very blue with Velvia so I masked all white water areas and reduced blue/cyan saturation. Kodak Ektar is much different; after scanning I go through a complex process of color correction, screaming at my computer, rage quitting photography all together, calming down, and repeating...
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Phantom Medic wrote:
Beautiful place and awesome pics. Any idea what causes the green color of the water? It looks like the similar shade of green at Niagara Falls which is related to the sediments it contents.

I'm not exactly sure what causes the color, I just know that the green areas are much deeper!



Nov 21, 2014 at 01:02 PM
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