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jdbastro
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p.1 #1 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Can this super sharp lens be manually focused without power to the lens?

I am considering connecting a night vision monocular to this lens using a c-mount to EF adapter without any electrical contacts.

I do not yet own this lens.

Thanks in advance.



Aug 12, 2014 at 11:33 PM
Paul Mo
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p.1 #2 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Yes it can.


Aug 12, 2014 at 11:43 PM
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p.1 #3 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


I do not think so

IIRC: This is a "fly-by-wire" lens similar to the non-IS 300/2.8L.

Here is a link to a review:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-200mm-f-1.8-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

Paul Mo wrote:
Yes it can.





Aug 12, 2014 at 11:50 PM
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p.1 #4 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Paul Mo wrote:
Yes it can.


I have read that the manual focus is a 'focus by wire' system which supposedly means that when one turns the focus ring on the lens, a 'signal' is sent to the focus motor which then moves the internal optics.

So are you saying that the motor does NOT need to be powered up for the internal focus mechanism to function properly in manual focus mode?

Thanks in advance.




Aug 12, 2014 at 11:54 PM
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p.1 #5 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


if its anything like my 28-80L which i think has the same focus by wire system the NO IT CANT .

it has to be mounted and the CAMERA TURNED ON . if the camera is off or goes to sleep then you cant manual focus .



Aug 13, 2014 at 02:07 AM
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p.1 #6 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


So you can't flick the AF switch off and turn the focus ring and make the elements move? Weird.



Aug 13, 2014 at 02:45 AM
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p.1 #7 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


NOPE

I had that lens before and also a non-IS 300/2.8L. I guess you have not used one before?

Paul Mo wrote:
So you can't flick the AF switch off and turn the focus ring and make the elements move?




Edited on Aug 13, 2014 at 02:53 AM · View previous versions



Aug 13, 2014 at 02:52 AM
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p.1 #8 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Ian.Dobinson wrote:
if its anything like my 28-80L which i think has the same focus by wire system the NO IT CANT .

it has to be mounted and the CAMERA TURNED ON . if the camera is off or goes to sleep then you cant manual focus .


Well that's a bummer. Kind of what I suspected.

I imagine the FD all manual version is nearly impossible to find in excellent condition.

I guess there's always the Contax/Zeiss 200mm f2 aposonnar. It's a bit slower, and apparently not quite as sharp wide open, but available (used) and fully manual.

Thanks.



Aug 13, 2014 at 02:52 AM
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riokid wrote:
NOPE

I had that lens before and also a non-IS 300/2.8L. I guess you have not used one before?



Not since '96. Sorry.



Aug 13, 2014 at 03:01 AM
Ian.Dobinson
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p.1 #10 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Paul Mo wrote:
So you can't flick the AF switch off and turn the focus ring and make the elements move? Weird.


No its FOCUS BY WIRE . ie it needs power to do it . i think it was the earliest iteration of the Ring USM (i may be wrong on that)

as far as I know the list is
28-80L
200/1.8L
300/2.8L (non IS)
the current 85L (and the ver1)

anyone care to add more ?




Aug 13, 2014 at 03:12 AM
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p.1 #11 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Here's the list from NK Guy.

\begin{quotation}
"The following lenses are old-style electronic full-time manual USM lenses:

EF 50mm 1.0 L USM
EF 85mm 1.2 L USM
EF 85mm 1.2 L USM II
EF 28-80mm 2.8-4 L USM
EF 200mm 1.8 L USM
EF 300mm 2.8 L USM
EF 400mm 2.8 L USM
EF 400mm 2.8 L II USM
EF 500mm 4.5 L USM
EF 600mm 4 L USM
EF 1200mm 5.6 L USM

\end{quotation}

Ref. http://photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/lenses.html#manualfocus, search for '1.0 L'

The EF 40/2.8 STM is, too. I don't know about the other STM lenses, but they're probably the same.

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Aug 13, 2014 at 05:51 AM
Ian.Dobinson
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p.1 #12 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


great Jim . I suspected some of those would be .

having now used my 28-80L a little bit I cant help but wish my 80-200 did as well . the focus motor is the only thing I dont like about it



Aug 13, 2014 at 05:54 AM
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p.1 #13 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


I for one really miss the focus by wire system in the super tele's anyway. I would set my 600 to the slowest setting and you could easily and accurately adjust the focus after auto focusing close on a static subject. With a moving subject you could set the MF to fast and quickly get in range of a fast moving subject so the AF wouldn't search as much. These two things can be done with todays MF but nowhere near as easy. Now all we have is the PF and I for the life of me cannot find a use for it.


Aug 13, 2014 at 08:12 AM
Fred Bruche
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p.1 #14 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


An other possibility is the OM zuiko 250mm f2, fully manual, impressive wide open (though I haven't directly compared it to the Canon 200mm f1.8).

jdbastro wrote:
Well that's a bummer. Kind of what I suspected.

I imagine the FD all manual version is nearly impossible to find in excellent condition.

I guess there's always the Contax/Zeiss 200mm f2 aposonnar. It's a bit slower, and apparently not quite as sharp wide open, but available (used) and fully manual.

Thanks.





Aug 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM
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p.1 #15 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


. given that the 200/1.8 is out of the equation for your requirement, so now comes the question

is the lens ONLY going to be used for this scope ? or were you wanting to use it on an EOS body as well ? .
If its to be used as a camera lens as well , will Manual focus be ok or would AF be a requirement ?

if its only to be used on the scope or MF is fine on a camera for you then that OM sounds a good option . (250mm F2 wow )
scout around on the Alt forum and you may come up with some other options .

as for the FD 200/1.8 I dont know what sort of availability there is (didnt most of them get taken back by canon and turned into the EF version ? or am I thinking of another lens?) but I do know that most good FD glass has priced itself very high now since the advent of the Mirrorless bodies (that FF sony will only make it worse) . in some cases ive seen FD super tele's (the 300/2.8 is a good example) go for near the same price as a good EF version which still sounds silly to me

I know for your use you'll be wanting the fastest option available but would a 200/2 a better option ? or at a pinch a much cheaper option would be the 200/2.8L (yeah 1 stop slower I know )



Aug 14, 2014 at 02:32 AM
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p.1 #16 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Ian.Dobinson wrote:
...if its only to be used on the scope or MF is fine on a camera for you then that OM sounds a good option . (250mm F2 wow ...


One of it's smaller brothers, the OM 180/2, sold for $7890 on eBay, last week.

The most recent sale of an OM 250/2 that I've seen was $3425, in Feb 2013. I expect it'll be more expensive now - a lot more expensive.



Aug 14, 2014 at 07:09 AM
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p.1 #17 · EF 200mm f1.8 L Manual Focus Control


Do you need to be able to change focus, or is it a case of setting it at infinity focus and locking it there?

If the latter, there has to be a way. This astro sky survey project uses eight 200 f/1.8 lenses mounted to astro CCD cameras.
Super WASP

Then there is this guy, who took apart his 200 f/1.8. It's mounted on an astro CCD camera, but a cable extends from the lens to a Canon body, and he uses the body to power the lens so it can focus:
Astro Anarchy

Mark



Aug 14, 2014 at 08:18 AM





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