mdbrown9999 wrote:
Is the 7DII a Canon equivalent to the D7100 or is Nikon going to release a new DX model? Is the d810 it for Nikon this year? Photokina is coming and time will tell.
There have been rumours Nikon will finally update the D300s and release a so-called D9300 to sit way above the D7100. D7100 sits in the 70D class.
mdbrown9999 wrote:
Is the d810 it for Nikon this year? Photokina is coming and time will tell.
Rumor is that there is a D7200 on the way, perhaps for September/Photokina.
Apparently the D3300 and D5300 sensors are better in some ways than the D7100 sensor. So that is something they feel Nikon will address/there are rumors they will release the D7200.
There have been a lot of D7100 and D7000 refurbs being sold pretty cheaply lately, so it seems likely.
mmurph wrote:
Rumor is that there is a D7200 on the way, perhaps for September/Photokina.
Apparently the D3300 and D5300 sensors are better in some ways than the D7100 sensor. So that is something they feel Nikon will address/there are rumors they will release the D7200.
There have been a lot of D7100 and D7000 refurbs being sold pretty cheaply lately, so it seems likely.
Cheers!
M.
It is my understanding the D7100 sensor is a Toshiba sensor, while the D5300 is Sony. D7200 will get same sensor as Sony A77 II I suspect. 24MP no AA. They might just call it D7300 to get uniformity in naming.
It really does seem as though it will be announced soon, too many signs are pointing to it. Now if it as rumored has a better sensor capable of some good low light high iso images I think is what people are wanting to see. I sold my 60D for FF because I couldn't stand the grainy pictures
Pixel Perfect wrote:
It is my understanding the D7100 sensor is a Toshiba sensor, while the D5300 is Sony. D7200 will get same sensor as Sony A77 II I suspect. 24MP no AA. They might just call it D7300 to get uniformity in naming.
I think a lot of people would have been happy with the D7100 if the buffer didn't suck such big time. I used it for one airshow and sold it.
kdrk888 wrote:
I think a lot of people would have been happy with the D7100 if the buffer didn't suck such big time. I used it for one airshow and sold it.
That's the overriding complaint; the pedestrian built quality vs. the D300s and 7D for in-elements shooting was another. The AF is functional, but effectively less so than the 70D, though that may depend more on user and lens variance.
kdrk888 wrote:
I think a lot of people would have been happy with the D7100 if the buffer didn't suck such big time. I used it for one airshow and sold it.
Yeah I considered one at one time, but that buffer is stupid small. I suspect D7200/7300 will try and jump well ahead of 70D on spec and fix several shortcomings. although will thye have an answer to DPAF?
...glad I sat out this last round of Canon, er, "speed-bumps".
You only get the A7S' advantage in low-light with a 12MP sensor, and that's a 12MP sensor that has less DR at low-ISOs relative to the other Exmors on the market. I'll keep my 6D, which can actually AF in low-light and track continuously and has a greater availability of high-end lenses with the ergonomics to actually make them useful.
Of the two reviews I read on the A7s they both said it wasn't a fast action camera and since this thread is about the 7D2 I'm not sure I want Canon to be looking at the A7s as inspiration.
ggreene wrote:
Of the two reviews I read on the A7s they both said it wasn't a fast action camera and since this thread is about the 7D2 I'm not sure I want Canon to be looking at the A7s as inspiration.
Sony certainly know how to make good sensors but they will never build a camera able to compete with Canon or Nikon...there's far more much technology required to make a good camera than just a good sensor. If Canon would only get past their arrogance and license some Sony sensors, they would own the photography market.
Gary Irwin wrote:
If Canon would only get past their arrogance and license some Sony sensors, they would own the photography market.
I think your assignment of motives and blame is probably very badly misplaced.
It is much more likely that Sony refuses to license their sensors to Canon for precisely the reason stated: it would put Sony out of the camera market and maybe cut Nikon off at the pass too.
It is probably written into Nikon's purchase agreement with Sony that they can't license it to Canon. That can easily be arranged by injecting a little Nikon technology / patents into the Sony sensors.
jcolwell wrote:
A monopoly is rarely good for anybody that doesn't own the monopoly.
Which is why I would not like Canon to use Sony sensors. I'd like to see more then one company developing sensors. The cyclical nature of innovation leaders is a good thing.
Gary Irwin wrote:
Sony certainly know how to make good sensors but they will never build a camera able to compete with Canon or Nikon...there's far more much technology required to make a good camera than just a good sensor. If Canon would only get past their arrogance and license some Sony sensors, they would own the photography market.
Well I would not buy into Sony at this stage, mostly due to glass limitations, but their new A77 II is a heck of a good camera for the money and certainly can compete with a 7D and 70D. But they will never build a 1 series challenger and I'm not sure they'll even stick to the SLT technology and just go mirrorless altogether. Pentax make some great APS-C cameras too, such as the K3, but are again too restricted in glass.
Canon would never use Sony for their DSLR's (they do use SOny sensors for P&S), but there is also Toshiba making very good sensors that fall in between the Canon and Sony offerings for DR, shadow noise etc. Nikon D7100 is a Toshiba sensor. Toshiba is not a direct competitor, so it wouldn't be a problem of pride IMO.
Gosh the 7D II is going to be a watershed moment for Canon that may determine their long term fate. They simply cannot afford more of the same on the senor front. We cannot sit by and hear "oh new sensors are coming in another 12 months". Canons' kept a lot of customers on glass alone. For me the superteles are alone enough, but Nikon has finally started to answer Canon's challenge and their new 400 f/2.8 VR II is now lighter than Canon's (not by much) and we can expect all the superteles to get the same improvements. I know a Nikon pro who told Nikon he wouldn't buy any of their superteles until they matched Canon's glass for weight.
In the future if Canon does not answer the Sony challenge, I can see myself running a two camera system, Nikon for landscape and general shooting, Canon 1D series for sports and action. I hope it doesn't come to that, but we won't be seeing any affordable answer to the D810 for at least 9 months.
johnctharp wrote:
You only get the A7S' advantage in low-light with a 12MP sensor, and that's a 12MP sensor that has less DR at low-ISOs relative to the other Exmors on the market. I'll keep my 6D, which can actually AF in low-light and track continuously and has a greater availability of high-end lenses with the ergonomics to actually make them useful.
...and...
ggreene wrote:
Of the two reviews I read on the A7s they both said it wasn't a fast action camera and since this thread is about the 7D2 I'm not sure I want Canon to be looking at the A7s as inspiration.
John & Greg, etal,
I, personally, would like to see some better low light sensitivity in a 7D2 than the current ISO 800-1600 usable limit of my 7D. As I see it, a very usable ISO 25,600 seems like the bar set by Canon's competitors if Canon wishes to be taken seriously in the present market. I don't think I'm asking for the moon here.
As I see it, Canon needs to step up to the plate on a variety of fronts with their next DSLR releases if they wish to maintain their market share. And this user's wish list is fairly short...improved Dynamic Range, cleaner output in the shadows, and, yes, vastly improved low light capabilities.
Whatever it's going to be I've already figured it'll have Dual Pixel AF and some sort of crippled version of 4K video (again, the rumor mill says, 2.5K) so that it won't compete with their Cinema cameras.
I've got new bodies budgeted for early next year to replace a 5D2 and 2 7D's...it's up to Canon to provide me with the tools I need, and what my daughter needs, if they want the sales. It's really that simple.
I would certainly hope the 7D2 has much better high ISO. Doubt it will be at the level of the A7s though. A very large contingent of photographers are looking at the 7D2 for "reach" and that comes with pixel density which is probably going to limit it's high ISO ceiling. If it's a 24MP APS-C sensor you are talking about a ~60MP FF equivalent vs the A7s at 12MP. I'm not a sensor expert but from all I've read you are going to bump up against the laws of physics.
I would be happy with 5D3 like high ISO at that pixel density.
This is a body designed for sports/action. Canon has got to step it up in other places besides just the sensor. It's got to have 5D3 like AF and tracking, large buffer, and 10FPS for it to be a worthy successor. There are a lot of expectations for this body. Some of it Canon generated. If they try to foist some small incremental upgrade as a solution they are in for a rude awakening.
