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p.1 #1 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


I've been asked to take some detailed shots of small figurines, mostly the size of Lego characters for a friend. Right now I only have native glass (35, 55, 28-70, and 14). Looking to get a nice macro lens and seeing that I'll be looking at manual lenses. I have a Gitzo tripod that would see the majority of the work. I'm wondering what you guys use.

Here are the few that I'm considering

Olympus OM 50 f/3.5 - It seems like this will be one of the cheaper options. Getting a Metabones adapter will allow other OM lenses.

Canons - I would get the Mark IV adapter. This is attractive because I could use other Canon glass.

Canon MP-E 65 - This seems like the most interesting option, I have no first hand use with it, don't know how well it works. But I do like the 1-5x magnification. Anyone have this one?

Canon 100 f/2.8 - Is the L version worth the price premium? Or would the regular one suffice

Any other ones I should look at?



Jun 13, 2014 at 10:09 AM
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p.1 #2 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


I don't have an a7, but -

The regular Canon 100 macro is a great lens and I don't see much value in the additional price (mostly) for the addition of IS if you're going to be using it almost exclusively on a tripod.

My understanding of the MP-E 65 is that it only works between 1x and 5x (with lego-sized figures, this isn't the magnification range that springs to my mind, but I don't know what your intent is) and has a very limited focus range. Most people will basically set the magnification and then position themselves relative to the subject so that the subject is in focus.

Personally, I would add the Canon TS-E 90 to the mix. In addition to controling the focal plane, it has a native max magnification of ~1:3 and can take tubes for more - I think that it's the ultimate table-top lens.



Jun 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM
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p.1 #3 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


Sigma 150mm non-os. ~ $500 used. Worth every penny and one of the best kept secrets.

Here's a shot from yesterday with the A7r




Jun 13, 2014 at 10:51 AM
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p.1 #4 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


Do you really need/want macro lens?

I use my nikon 85 1.8g with kenko tubes, and a metabones adapter. 36mm tube used in this example.

Taking a break (the boss isn't around) by phuviano, on Flickr



Jun 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM
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p.1 #5 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


This might be of interest:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1291983/

I am using the MPE-65 and the Canon 100/2.8 macro EF lens version both with my Metabones III adapter very successfully on my A7R camera.



Jun 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM
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p.1 #6 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


I'm using the 100mm macro is 2.8l lens and it's superb on the sony a7. I have stop using my 85mm 1.2l lens and started using 100mm macro and sony zeiss 55mm 1.8 for my main setup. Lens looks extremely long on the a7 but it's really light.


Jun 13, 2014 at 11:25 AM
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p.1 #7 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


Main advantages for macro work using the A7 camera series from my personal experience:

+ flip screen: when you take a macro shot from a perspective close to the ground (small blossoms for example), the flippable display is a big helper since you won't be able to focus through the EVF.

+ focus peaking: best of all for macro! I increased severely my keeper rate by having a 2:1 or 1:1 macro shot in focus by using the focus peaking feature on my A7R. It is much easier to focus manually compared to the same lens on my Canon 5D MkII!

+ less weight, less bulky: much better to use for macro stuff when the camera is lighter and more handy.

+ IQ: just outstanding, the higher resolution of my A7R really shines for macro and microscopy aspects.



Jun 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM
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Since I'll be doing all of my macro work on a tripod, I don't think IS will be necessary, so I might skip the 100 L. The Sigma looks interesting enough, but I don't see too many of the non-OS available. I'm also worried about sample variation with pre Sigma ART lenses. Size/weight isn't that big of a factor since it'll be used almost exclusively in a controlled environment.


Jun 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM
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TMaG82 wrote:
Since I'll be doing all of my macro work on a tripod, I don't think IS will be necessary, so I might skip the 100 L. The Sigma looks interesting enough, but I don't see too many of the non-OS available. I'm also worried about sample variation with pre Sigma ART lenses. Size/weight isn't that big of a factor since it'll be used almost exclusively in a controlled environment.


I prefer my Sigma 105/2.8 nos-OS lens over the Canon 100/2.8 EF lens. Bokeh and color reproduction are simply better, it also offers f/32. Only con of the old version is its bit of cumbersome AF. I use it with MF all the time anyway. All the Sigma macro lenses are optically excellent IMO, I never saw or heard of sample variation in Sigma macro lenses at any time (mostly discussed were wide angle lenses like the Sigma 10-20). I sold all my other Sigma lenses which I owned, but the older non-OS version of the 105/2.8 I will certainly keep.



Jun 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM
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I dont think you need to worry about sample variation. You're going to be manually focussing this and with the EVF / live-view and focus peaking of the Sony, its not hard to nail the shot.


Jun 13, 2014 at 11:53 AM
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p.1 #11 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


"best" IMO 125/2.5 APO Lanthar

native 1:1, great color and sharpness.

the 50/3.5 OM is a good lens if you're on a budget but your title doesnt really match your post. the nikon 105 micros probably more practical on a budget, though.



Jun 13, 2014 at 01:04 PM
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p.1 #12 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


Olympus OM 90mm f2


Jun 13, 2014 at 01:10 PM
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Depends on your budget, really, and what you want to use the lens for after you've shot your friend's figurines.

If you want a cheap macro that will go native 1:1 and don't care if the lens is good at other distances or about the corners close-up, the I'd say the Vivitar 50/2.8 Macro is good bargain. You can get life-size Lego people without any tubes. The downside to short macros is working distance- the shorter your focal length the less working distance you'll have close up. It's not a great lens for infinity work, though, so don't plan to multi-task with the lens.

If you're looking to invest more for better quality, it's tough to beat the C/Y Zeiss S-Plannar 60/2.8. Again, native 1:1, much better corners, and better performance at longer distances than the Vivitar. It's my tag-along macro for the field and it hasn't let me down yet. The Leica 60/2.8 is as good with slightly better colors, IMO, but it's native 1:2, so you'll need a tube to get to life-size. They run about the same for like-condition copies, so I'd say the Zeiss is the better buy. Again, it's a bit short on working distance

For a longer focal length and working distance in a helicoid mount, I'd look at the C/Y Zeiss Makro-Pannar 100/2.8. Native 1:1 performance and barely discernible IQ difference between it, the new MP 100/2, and the Leica-R APO-Macro-Elmarit 100/2.8 as far as sharpness throughout the focusing range, and significantly less expensive than either of the others. And, IMO, the best bargain in the Contax line.

Bellows are a good way to go and there are a few (Contax, Minolta Auto-bellows III, and Mamiya Auto-Bellows N) that allow for tilt and shift movement and the glass possibilities open up to any lens that can be adapted to the chosen mount. If they don't make adapters for the lens you want to use, you can try the trick Jim C pointed out in another thread- take a body cap for the specified mount and drill it out then epoxy on an adapter. Bellows present their own unique set of challenges in getting rid of the reflections and glare, something the a7(r) makes no easier, but it's very rewarding. I use mine with a couple of 135mm heads and enlarging lenses (Rodenstock and Nikkor) that were all relatively inexpensive.

My last suggestion would be a Canon FD 35/2.8 TS. With a .3M MFD, it's not exactly a macro lens, but it can make for some interesting perspectives and is a great multi-tasker for someone who isn't necessarily looking for a dedicated macro. Just one to consider.

Hope that helps.



Jun 13, 2014 at 01:57 PM
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I think my biggest thing I have to understand is what focal length I need. The a7 is my first camera I'm getting a dedicated macro for. I briefly demoed a 60 macro for the m4/3 mount but didnt get to use it as much as I wanted to before I sent it back from the rental.

I'll price some out this weekend and maybe if the C/Y is a good buy I'll get both the 60 and the 100. I had very good success with a C/Y Planar 50 1.7 when I was shooting the NEX-7 with C/Y speedbooster.

My main objective is to shoot the figurines. I've found out that he also wants me to shoot some other pieces that are a little larger, so maybe I could use the 60/100 or something similar. I'll keep whatever I get to use for macro shots for myself but it won't be that important for me. Budget is nothing too crazy but I don't mind paying for quality. I could see myself dedicating up to $1,000 for the macro setup, whether it's one lens or a shorter and longer setup.



Jun 13, 2014 at 02:04 PM
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p.1 #15 · Best Macro lens on the a7(r)


check out the new zeiss touit 50mm marco.


Jun 13, 2014 at 02:33 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
Depends on your budget, really, and what you want to use the lens for after you've shot your friend's figurines.

If you want a cheap macro that will go native 1:1 and don't care if the lens is good at other distances or about the corners close-up, the I'd say the Vivitar 50/2.8 Macro is good bargain. You can get life-size Lego people without any tubes. The downside to short macros is working distance- the shorter your focal length the less working distance you'll have close up. It's not a great lens for infinity work, though, so don't plan to multi-task
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Thanks so much for the help! I greatly appreciate yours and everyone else's advice. I'm going to be looking at some samples and copies this weekend on the B&S forums as well as eBay and other places.

Honestly I've never looked at Leica R glass, I always thought leica glass was out of my reach (and some are like the 50 f/0.95) and I never knew how reasonably priced the R glass is. I could see building up some nice R glass to add to my collection. I'll have to do some homework on it (like what CAM-2, 3 means and what 6-bit means). But I'm thinking instead of adding a bunch of cheap Olympus and Minolta Rokkor glass to just add to the shelf, I would be better off investing in some Leica R glass to fill the holes in the native FE mount (such as the 21, 90, etc). Getting cheap glass might make me buy unnecessary lenses to just pile up but getting quality glass might mean adding a lens here and there to help supplement my shooting.

Anything in particular I need to know about leica r glass?



Jun 13, 2014 at 07:04 PM
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With a $1,000 budget you have lots of choice, but I think you need to think about a few issues first:

1) Do you want MF or AF? A lot people, even many of those who prefer AF for everything else, like MF for macro. The precision in obtain focus with a lens designed for MF is very nice. On the other hand, a lot of people still like AF for macro. Personally, I much prefer when shooting from a tripod like you are doing a MF lens.

2) What magnification do you want? Do you want a lens that goes to 1:1 magnification or will 1:2 or even 1:3 be enough. For the figurine you are shooting 1:2 or even 1:3 would probably be enough. Many people don't even consider a lens a "macro" lens unless it goes to 1:1, but others (and I would put myself here) are very happy with 1:2 or 1:3 mag. I wouldn't recommend going to greater magnification like the Canon 65 MPE until later. IMO, it takes time to develop the skill including lighting and often focus stacking to use that lens well.

3) What focal length do you want? There are a lot of 50Ish, 100ish, and 200ish macros and some in between as well. Almost all macros are good lenses and sharp, but other factors vary a lot. Longer focal lengths blur the background more. For a demonstration see this link:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/Canon-Macro-Lens.aspx

but longer lenses are going to be bigger as well. So there is a tradeoff there. Going for a 200mm macro and you will have a very big lens, but more background blur. Going for a 50mm will give you a smaller lens, but with less blur. Many people often start out splitting the difference and going with something like a 90 or 100mm. Personally I find the 90 to 100mm focal length a good compromise.

4) What mount to you want? You have all native glass and there will be at least one native mount macro coming out later this year. Perhaps that is what you want to get in the long run and rent for now. If not I would consider what other mounts for which you might like to have other lenses. Since there are so many good macro I would let this influence my decision, but you and others might differ.

5) Do you want to use the lens for more than just macro? Many macro lenses are very useful for other things. Others are less useful for other things. Considering that when getting a macro lens is prudent, IMO.

With that in mind let me offer some specific lenses:

If you want manual focus and 50mm and 1:2 magnification is enough. I would look at three excellent possibilities: the Zeiss Z* 50mm f/2, the Olympus OM 50 f/2, and the Leica R 60mm f/2.8. Both the f/2 lenses would be very useful for other types of photography and are excellent all around lenses. The Olympus is a little smaller and it is cheaper, but the Zeiss is a phenomenal lens. The Leica is a stellar landscape lens and performs quite well at all distances.

If you want manual focus and 50ish mm and you want 1:1 then I would recommend the Zeiss Contax/Yashica mount 60mm f/2.8. Which is an excellent macro. It will be considerably less versatile than the f/2 50s described above but it will be excellent for macro.

If you want AF and 50mm then a good option is then the A mount Sony 50 f/2.8 Macro with the Sony adapter which goes to 1:1 magnification would be a good option. You could also look at the Canon 50mm f/2.5, which is a pretty good lens and would have AF with a metabones adapter. It goes to 1:2 magnification.

If you want around 90 to 100 mm and MF and 1:2 magnification there are a lot of great option. Right now I have the Voigtlander 90mm f/3.5 close up lens, which I really like. I has slightly more than 1:2 magnification with the include diopter (1:1.8) and is quite smaller (actually smaller than most of the 50ish lenses described above). It comes in a lot of mounts and is reasonably priced. It is a great landscape lens and surprisingly good for portraits if you take them close up. Two other lenses in this category that I have had that are excellent are the Leica R 90 f/2 and the R 90 f/2.8 version 2. Both of these lenses can give you 1:3 magnification with the Elpro 3 closeup lens that Leica makes.

Other excellent lenses to consider in this class are the Tokina 90mm f/2.5 (often called the Bokina). It is a very good performing lens and relatively inexpensive, but is fairly large. At the higher end of the price range the Olympus OM 90mm f/2 is excellent as well.

If you want 90 or 100 mm with MF and 1:1 magnification, then there are also lots of lenses to consider. The Zeiss Contax/Yashica mount 100 f/2.8 Macro is excellent, and within your budget. It is a big lens but a great performer. The Pentax A series 100 f/2.8 macro is also highly regarded. There are also a bunch of 100mm f/4 Macro lenses that are obviously slower but typically are excellent.

Finally if you wanted 90 or 100 mm with AF. One very good option would be the Sony A mount 100 f/2.8 macro with the Sony adapter. Any of the Canon 100 f/2.8 Macro are very nice as well and would work with AF (slow but probably ok for a lot of macro work) using the Metabones III or IV adapter. You might be able to use the Sigma, Tamron, or Tokina AF macros as well, but I don't know whether they work with the Metabones adapter.

I am sure I am missing some great ones that fit within your budget. There are many great macros to choose from. Good luck.



Jun 13, 2014 at 07:13 PM
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TMaG82 wrote...Anything in particular I need to know about leica r glass?


Yes. There are lots of things you need to know about R glass simply because Leica had a habit of changing and updating optical designs (it's always good to improve a lens design if possible) and has also changed the mount several times, hence the different cams. If you are going to go down the R path but if you are only interested in a specific lens then it's quick and easy to find all you need online.

I think the most pertinent is that not all R glass is equal and that the later glass (from approx. early 90's and later) is often in a different league to earlier versions or offerings. Some lenses, such as the R60/2.8, R80/1.4, R35/1.4, R100/2.8 APO, R180/3.4 APO, R180/2.0 APO (and many others) come in only one OPTICAL version so it's not possible to mistake them with earlier, cheaper and often inferior performing lenses (ignoring that some lenses can be offered in different front thread versions and with different cams, ie R cam, ROM, 2 or 3 cam etc, but with the same glass inside).

The R landscape is a potential minefield for bargain hunters who are often drawn to the earliest and cheapest lenses which are some times not very 'good' (depending on your definition and needs of course). Conversely it's difficult to find a cheap late model Leica R lens and most of these are extremely 'good' by most measures, although arguably overpriced too.



Jun 13, 2014 at 07:30 PM
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JohnJ wrote:
Yes. There are lots of things you need to know about R glass simply because Leica had a habit of changing and updating optical designs (it's always good to improve a lens design if possible) and has also changed the mount several times, hence the different cams. If you are going to go down the R path but if you are only interested in a specific lens then it's quick and easy to find all you need online.

I think the most pertinent is that not all R glass is equal and that the later glass (from approx. early 90's and
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So what you're saving is that the newer R glass is optically 'better' than older R glass? I'll keep that in mind.



Jun 13, 2014 at 09:23 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
With a $1,000 budget you have lots of choice, but I think you need to think about a few issues first:

1) Do you want MF or AF? A lot people, even many of those who prefer AF for everything else, like MF for macro. The precision in obtain focus with a lens designed for MF is very nice. On the other hand, a lot of people still like AF for macro. Personally, I much prefer when shooting from a tripod like you are doing a MF lens.

2) What magnification do you want? Do you want a lens that goes
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Thanks! I do see that the 60 offers a tube that allows for 1:1 so I may start there and see if 1:2 is good enough but have the option for 1:1 if it comes up.

I prefer MF for this one since hopefully it will keep weight/size down and possibly see what the native AF version looks like when it's released.



Jun 13, 2014 at 09:25 PM
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