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Archive 2014 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.

  
 
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p.2 #1 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


In addition to suggestions above:

Olympus E-PL5 / E-PM2 + 20mm f1.7
Samsung NX 300 + 35mm f2

They are not fixed lens but fairly compact and cheap.




Jun 08, 2014 at 11:26 AM
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p.2 #2 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


FlyPenFly wrote:
The A7 feels much larger than the A6000 in my opinion.

I think everyone here is forgetting the resale price of an X100.


I forgot the price constraint..

Re the A7, I think the EVF hump that separates it with the A6000. I just thought that the A7 could serve also as a back up for the M cameras, and with some helicoid adapters it could do semi macro shot in which the M-E could only dream of.

However, other options such as XE-2 & 27 mm or M4/3rds with 15 1.8 could also do it.



Jun 08, 2014 at 11:39 AM
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p.2 #3 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Realistically an X100 can be sold and bought for around $600 I think last time I checked. A Ricoh GR is around that price and a A6000 or NEX-6 is around that price as well. A lens adds about $200 on top of that.


Jun 08, 2014 at 12:18 PM
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p.2 #4 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


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Yes, they are! I'm thinking anything higher than $550 on the used market and I'm gonna lose my butt on the switch. I don't think the GR has hit the bottom on resale market yet, which is my hesitation in buying. I'm not looking to lose $$ in this trade and am only interested in purchasing second hand at an adjusted resale price. If the GR is retailed at $700 or so, I'm not really comfortable until I can pick it up for sub-$500. Also, how long until the next model comes out, which then drops the resale price closer
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I've been looking at GR prices or a while, it doesn't seem to budge much due to it's niche applications and 28mm not being currently super popular for a prime fixed camera.



Jun 08, 2014 at 12:19 PM
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p.2 #5 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


i'd vote for the GR except that you want to use it if for low light where f/2.8 might be a bit annoying (it is for me indoors).

you can get the oly E-PL5 for like $400 now and add a 20/1.7 to it, the IBIS helps a lot for low light btw.

the sony a6000 seems great except there are no good lenses for it that are faster than f/2.8, small, and AF (only real option is the 35/1.8, which adds another $400). if you were OK skipping AF and slapping your lux + helicoid adapter on it then it might be worthwhile (in that case you could save some money by skipping the fast AF and getting the nex-6 instead).




Jun 08, 2014 at 12:54 PM
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p.2 #6 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Personally, not a big fan of the EPL5. I ended up returning mine. The screen they put on it is really not suited for the camera.


Jun 08, 2014 at 01:55 PM
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p.2 #7 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


There are 4 fixed lens cameras with large sensors on the market.X100, RX1, coolpix A , Ricoh GR. If that is your criteria, pick one of those 4.

I guess you can add the sigma DP series too , but workflow and handlng and af and battery really suck on those cameras.

All your criteria points to the GR, but perceived value is holding you back. I, too, would like to know when a new GR will come, but I don't think Ricoh is the kind of company that feels the pressure to update their cameras every year. After owning both cameras (and the RX1 for a short time), I would pick the GR over the X100 in a heartbeat, even if they were equal in price. That's how much better I believe the handling is. It isn't apparent till you've used the GR for a week or two.



Jun 08, 2014 at 02:20 PM
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p.2 #8 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


The Sigmas, as stellar as they are, tend to confine you to no higher than ISO 200 for peak performance (the limitation of present-generation Foveons), in addition to the aforementioned pocketful of batteries. You've said that you dig 28mm and for the price (now between $600-699), the Ricoh is unbeatable in terms of stunning performance, portability an haptics (it's so great as is, what difference does it make if there's an upgrade coming soon? There's always one waiting for the next Photokina). It shares the exact same sensor as the Coolpix but that's about it. Seems to do B&W better (from the output, I'd say that's what it's optimized for) if that's your preference too. The user menu on the GR is easy-peezey and infinitely optimizable.

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Jun 08, 2014 at 02:46 PM
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p.2 #9 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Thanks everyone. Looks like all signs point me towards the GR. I am watching a few on Ebay right now and will keep an eye on the B&S forum also. I might not sell the X100 until I know I love the GR. That way, I can always resell and not have any anxiety...


Jun 08, 2014 at 02:47 PM
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p.2 #10 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


KatieInTexas wrote:
Thanks everyone. Looks like all signs point me towards the GR. I am watching a few on Ebay right now and will keep an eye on the B&S forum also. I might not sell the X100 until I know I love the GR. That way, I can always resell and not have any anxiety...


Looking at GR prices, new ones are currently $699 and used ones generally go for $600 or, if you luck up, maybe $550. Not too much in it really between used vs new as used GR's command a relative premium (mostly because Ricoh is so aggressive with their new price imo). Buying new also gives you the easy return option if you don't love it!



Jun 08, 2014 at 04:44 PM
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p.2 #11 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


I had the GR in my bag for about 3 months and it was fine for what it did but I found I didn't use it as much so I sold it. The IQ is great, the silent shutter, the snap focus makes street and manual shooting much better. I never had the original x100, only the x100s but the AF on the GR seemed worse than the x100s. Video on the GR is the worst I've seen, even worse than the Fujis. But even having a camera which I could theoretically carry everywhere because of the size, I didn't feel the desire to carry it around and just left it sitting on my desk at home.


Jun 08, 2014 at 06:56 PM
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TMaG82 wrote:
I had the GR in my bag for about 3 months and it was fine for what it did but I found I didn't use it as much so I sold it. The IQ is great, the silent shutter, the snap focus makes street and manual shooting much better. I never had the original x100, only the x100s but the AF on the GR seemed worse than the x100s. Video on the GR is the worst I've seen, even worse than the Fujis. But even having a camera which I could theoretically carry everywhere because of the size, I didn't
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Pretty much my experiences with the GR's, I really do love the concept, and the size/weight is fantastic. I mean you'd swear you didn't even have a battery in the thing its so light (about 8oz). True pocket size APS-C, and tons of really cool photographer friendly controls, like the ability to set up to 320 seconds for long exposure, so you don't need to mess with a cable release, interval timer, snap focus mode, some really nice "art" filters that actually are useful, etc etc

Just never really got on with the camera though, focus accuracy being a bit part of it, but more so, that as good as pocketability sounds on paper, in reality, it never really proves that important. When I want something pocketable I've got my iPhone or my RX100 as is, and really for day to day life, there isn't a huge need for APS-C. I mean if I want to take a pic of my morning cereal I'll use my iPhone (said in jest).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the GR is a bad camera, but rather that I kept buying it to fill a need I thought I had that really turned out to not be that important, ie; always with me APS-C quality.

Its a great camera to shoot with from a functional basis, but for me anyways, not one that really was enjoyable. Its a tool and it gets a job done, but never inspired me to want to go pick it up and shoot it, "just because".

Rare camera's, like the X100 and M9, were, again for ME, objects that made me want to pick them up and go shoot things, just because I wanted to use the camera. Kind of elevated them beyond just simple tools if you will.

Just as I'm not saying the GR is a bad camera, I'm also not saying the X100 is the perfect camera. Its got plenty of issues, or putting it kindly, quirks. It brings a unique joy though in its use for most owners by the combination of readily portable (though not pocketable) size/weight, the hybrid VF, dedicated direct controls, an amazing flash, and quite pleasing overall IQ.

Simply put, its darn tough to replace, because nothing else does exactly what it does, and as such, in conditions that suit the X100, few other cameras provide quite the same photographic fun



Jun 08, 2014 at 07:26 PM
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p.2 #13 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


In terms of the image threads in this forum, I don't think any thread other than the Ricoh GR thread has as many consistently compelling images. I don't mean it has the best images, I just mean, on average, the quality of the images on there are generally higher than other image threads here. I say this as someone interested in the GR, not as an owner.


Jun 08, 2014 at 07:30 PM
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FlyPenFly wrote:
In terms of the image threads in this forum, I don't think any thread other than the Ricoh GR thread has as many consistently compelling images. I don't mean it has the best images, I just mean, on average, the quality of the images on there are generally higher than other image threads here. I say this as someone interested in the GR, not as an owner.



Comes down to the photographer, not the camera. I can dig up plenty of total garbage from my GR's because I was the one behind the lens lol.

The GR, and its excellent ergonomics and control options simply appeal to a specific mentality of photographer IMO. Its not a camera someone is going to go get for taking happy snaps. Its a camera that has some specific controls to accomplish specific task, which are really only important to more advanced photographers. Typically these photographers are not only going to have the knowledge/experience to realize what they need, but also the vision that goes along with it.




Jun 08, 2014 at 07:46 PM
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p.2 #15 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


I do own one, and yes, the video isn't a selling point nor is AF in dim light. I didn't buy it for the video and am admittedly a little disappointed about the AF. But it disappears in your pocket, the snap focus beats zone focus on a RF and the IQ is superb. It is one of the finest 28mm (equiv) lenses I've ever used. It's limitation is the 28 mm lens. Yes, a 35 or 50 would have been nicer but the GR series are this quirky niche creation and they've always sported a 28 or equivalent.


Jun 08, 2014 at 07:47 PM
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p.2 #16 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


EOS-M with 22mm lens... for $300, difficult to beat... Though I have to say, corners are not strength of Cannon, neither for Fuji. When I had both for sometimes, Fuji results were always better (not sure, why) and capturing with X100 was experience in itself...


Jun 08, 2014 at 09:42 PM
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p.2 #17 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Still torn. Just not sold on the GR autofocus capability. I know just about nothing about Micro 4/3 systems ... what's the deal with Olympus/Panasonic? These are the fastest focus MILC cameras? How are the lenses? If I dared venture into zoom-land again, would I be disappointed?


Jun 13, 2014 at 09:25 PM
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p.2 #18 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


KatieInTexas wrote:
Still torn. Just not sold on the GR autofocus capability. I know just about nothing about Micro 4/3 systems ... what's the deal with Olympus/Panasonic? These are the fastest focus MILC cameras? How are the lenses? If I dared venture into zoom-land again, would I be disappointed?


There are a ton of lens, you can certainly pick up some stinkers, but you can also pick up some simply fantastic zooms like the 12-40 or 12-35 f2.8's, or even some great slower options like the original 14-45 Panny, or the new 12-32. Others like the 14-42 kit zooms are prettty poor.

I think there are something like 80 different m4/3 lens on the market to date, way too big of line-up to sum up with a blanket statement.

Some down right world class glass though like the 75mm f1.8, 45mm f1.2, 25mm f1.4 etc

Downside of course being that its rather easy to wind several thousand dollars invested into a new format



Jun 13, 2014 at 11:12 PM
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p.2 #19 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Thoughts on:
Oly EM5? EP something or other? Pros cons? Which has a viewfinder and focuses FAST?
Panasonic GX7?
something else?



Jun 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM
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p.2 #20 · I would trade my Fuji X100 for ________.


Pretty much any m4/3 camera will focus fast.

GX7, EM1, EM5, EP5, GM1 etc. I've found Panny's to focus in a little lower light levels than Olympus though, but both brands are among the best I've owned in that regard. Touch screen AF point selection is also super handy

GX7 and EM1 are probably the best two choices at the moment, if budget isn't an issue. EM10 brings a lot of features for a modest price, but I greatly preferred the EM1 overall size/handling, plus nicer EVF

GX7 is pretty cool though in that the EVF actually tilts up 90 degrees and its got a nice grip, doesn't have as good of IBIS system though.

Steve Huff actually has some pretty good reviews/video's of m4/3 cameras so that is worth spending some time reading. Gives a pretty good overview of the system

m4/3 feels/shoot a lot like a mini DSLR though, even in the RF style EP bodies, which is fine and good, but again, not really going to give you the X100 shooting experience



Jun 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM
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