You didn't ask what a 'running away' shot was? You just so "oh, for sure! The running away shot!" Without knowing the original photo they are talking about, personally, I would be completely confused by such an odd statement. ("WTF is a 'running away shot?" would probably be my question).
I guess we are of differing opinions on this, but I don't think this is just a conceptually similar photograph, but rather just recreating someone else's idea. It's not like it's a general thing like a 'ring shot' or a 'dress shot'...this is a bridal party running away from a dinosaur crashing in from the trees (the originality of the original image being what made it such a viral success).
I do my best to give credit to inspiration where due, and when I can remember. Indeed, I can't credit all of my inspired ideas to each originator, because certainly I couldn't even begin to cite them all; but this is a very specific image that achieved mass popularity in social media. Considering you didn't know the original image at the time, doesn't this seem like a crazy coincidence to you?
Jeremy, sometimes I think you argue for the sake of arguing. I know the image. I knew it when I shot it. It was in an open field, mine was in a confined area. They're different. My B&G wanted this, I gave it to them. I thought it would be fun, and it was fun.
Again, I don't know that the pic that went viral was the first time that shot was done. I don't have time to research, but you seem to have plenty of time, so please do the research and let me know who did the original shot and we'll give them credit and I'll give you credit for the research.
But if you're not crediting all your originators of your inspired ideas, why would you expect me to do that with mine? That's a rhetorical question, please don't answer it. I don't know what you want out of this conversation. I've heard you, and you're putting me to sleep. Sometimes, we have to agree to disagree, except we're kind of agreeing to agree, because you do the same thing in not crediting the originators of your ideas every time you do it.
friscoron wrote:
I don't have time to research, but you seem to have plenty of time, so please do the research and let me know who did the original shot and we'll give them credit and I'll give you credit for the research.
FWIW, the amount of time spent discussing this with me, you could have typed "dinosaur wedding" into Google images and come up with your inspiration artist. I kept this as civil and as open-minded as I could - you are getting defensive and saying being inspired by something vague like any photographer [me] is the same as reproducing a specific shot is something I disagree with, to the point that I feel like you're trolling me. No reason to argue more I guess, though please don't draw from our previous interactions to feel I am on some sort of attack, I personally just question the morality of this type of thing. I'm glad your client liked it, and that you had fun, and everyone had fun - I don't need to be sold on that (as mentioned, personally I would have told the clients no, or at least do something more my own idea)..I just feel kind of awful that this is considered 'no big deal' to you.
I first saw this post when it was young and only had a response or two. I thought of the the shot on petapixel i saw a while back. I felt the same way about yours as I did theirs: 'eh, not my cup o tea, but hey, the photographer did it for his client.'
I revisited this thread and saw people posting "great concept" "great idea" "A+ for creativity" etc. I was surprised that you didnt stop them and say something like "glad you like it and I had fun shooting it, but I can hardly take credit for the concept as its been done before".
In the beginning, I said it was a cliche. How many times do I have to say that? Do you guys really not understand that a "cliche" means it's been done before?
And Jeremy, I don't know why you keep referring to that image as if I don't know about it. Of course, I did. But I still don't believe it's the first time it was done. When I first saw that particular image, my first thought was that it was done before. So who do I credit?
Chuck, I didn't feel like I need to say that because in my OP I am clearly stating that I didn't come up with the concept. In my version, there is still creativity, imagination, and execution. The creativity does not exist just because the shot has been done before.
friscoron wrote:
And Jeremy, I don't know why you keep referring to that image as if I don't know about it. Of course, I did. But I still don't believe it's the first time it was done. When I first saw that particular image, my first thought was that it was done before. So who do I credit?
In my opinion, anyone. I'm truly not trying to pick a fight; I just see it completely differently then you I guess.FWIW and to show I'm not just trolling, here was my back and forth with a b/g who specifically requested the dinosaur shot
Okay, but it's pretty obvious that I don't share your opinion. And you've already admitted that you've made shots that were inspired by others, and you didn't give them credit. So I guess you apply your morality where you want to, when you want to, and to others, not to yourself.
So now... what else are you going to say in saying the same thing over and over again? I think you referred to yourself as a troll a couple of times, and I'm not going to disagree with you.
friscoron wrote:
Okay, but it's pretty obvious that I don't share your opinion. And you've already admitted that you've made shots that were inspired by others, and you didn't give them credit. So I guess you apply your morality where you want to, when you want to, and to others, not to yourself.
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You are skewing what I said, and simplifying it for the sake of your own argument. I would argue moreso you are being purposely difficult to refuse a very simple point. I have been inspired by Evan Baines photojournalism work; that doesn't mean I've recreated one of his shots. I am inspired by Hoffer's use of light; that doesn't mean I'll put them out into the rain with an umbrella and backlight them to replicate his shot. I know you can see the difference here and feel silly even reiterating it.
I've seen a lot of these shots since the concept came out but I love how it all went well for you because the guests are really great in their role playing and it is really fun to look at!
Muddy, to be certain, this is not my original idea. The couple was inspired by a somewhat similar shot that had gone viral in the year prior to their wedding, and this was my version given this cast and location. I just don't want to take credit for the idea itself.
You shot is exceptionally well done.. As you say, it has been done before (but every wedding pictures has already been done before ). The first time I personally saw this was in the Calgary Zoo in the 1950's walking about with mom and dad when a photographer shot something similar ... I remember asking my dad why the people were running away from a statue of a dinosaur ... he just laughed at me and to me "that is what happens when you get married"
Without knowing the original photo they are talking about, personally, I would be completely confused by such an odd statement. ("WTF is a 'running away shot?" would probably be my question).
). The first time I personally saw this was in the Calgary Zoo in the 1950's walking about with mom and dad when a photographer shot something similar ... I remember asking my dad why the people were running away from a statue of a dinosaur ... he just laughed at me and to me "that is what happens when you get married"