glacierpete wrote:
It surprizes me that the A7r is not offered as a kit with the Sony FE 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 OSS.
Now with all these reports coming in, that wide angle range finders might not perform so well, the kit lens would be a cheap first compromise for landscape photographers using it at 28mm stopped down to f8/f11 on the A7r. Weight 426 g (0.94 lb)
Combined with a Contax G45 / G90 or Leica 90 Tele Elmarit it would be a resonable portable package.
I'm surprised that lens is not a kit option too---how bad can it be?
But Pete there are no reliable reports yet about RF WA on the camera upon which we pin our hopes: the A7r. Ron's tests in Canada used a camera with a totally different sensor, the A7. Many have misinterpreted his results, both regarding which camera he was using, and how "bad " the results were. In fact many of his wides were OK on the edges by 5.6.
Sigh, I'm such a sucker. Just purchased an unproven RF wide angle for my preordered a7r that I probably wont see for months. I think I have a problem. Guess I can mount it on the NEX7 in the meantime
Which "unproven RF WA" ... (i.e. unproven lens or unproven on A7R)
They are not all created equal, i.e. Zieiss incorporation of mustache distortion, which helps change the angles to the edge/corner region, but comes with that slight wavy thing as it transitions differently into the Zone C. I'm inclined to think that the Zeiss will have the best opportunity to harness the A7R in RF glass because of how good they are at designing mustache into a lens.
Unproven on a7r - a Leica 24/3.8 elmar. I thought about the 25 zm, but found a good deal (for leica) and figured I'd check it out. I also have a zm 50 sonnar with wobbles and it kind of turned me off the zms.
It seems as if the elmar performs reasonably well on an nex7, which while far from definitive, is a good sign.
coffeeshakes wrote:
Unproven on a7r - a Leica 24/3.8 elmar. I thought about the 25 zm, but found a good deal (for leica) and figured I'd check it out. I also have a zm 50 sonnar with wobbles and it kind of turned me off the zms.
It seems as if the elmar performs reasonably well on an nex7, which while far from definitive, is a good sign.
The 24/3.8 is a fantastic lens. Maybe you should match it to a nice used M9
PS. Leica M lenses do wobble as well. Don't let it affect your buying decisions.
I love my 24 Elmar on the NEX-6. It shows a very subtle color shift, which is fairly broad, but not noticeable at all in most shots. It is extremely sharp to the edges wide open (which, admittedly, is only f/3.8...), with lots of micro contrast. It definitely shows more color shift on the NEX-7, but the lens remains very sharp.
I too am really hoping this lens works on the A7r. I suspect it will color shift, but the lens sharpness is there on the 6/7, so I'm hopeful...
Here's a comparison I did of the 24 Elmar vs ZA 24 f/1.8 on the NEX-6: 24mm - Zeiss vs Leica
edwardkaraa wrote:
The 24/3.8 is a fantastic lens. Maybe you should match it to a nice used M9
PS. Leica M lenses do wobble as well. Don't let it affect your buying decisions.
Ha! No, no more M9's for me. Beautiful machines, I've been down that road, but no.
And please, I am searching for good excuses to spend so much on a slow 24mm lens when by all reports the zm 25 is stellar, please don't question my rationalizations
coffeeshakes wrote:
Ha! No, no more M9's for me. Beautiful machines, I've been down that road, but no.
And please, I am searching for good excuses to spend so much on a slow 24mm lens when by all reports the zm 25 is stellar, please don't question my rationalizations
Coming from a Zeiss fanboy who only owns ZM glass, I tell you the 24/3.8 is a stellar performer. I have only seen amazing images from it. You won't regret your decision!
Shelt is the guy who did a very nice comparo (thanks!), well worth a good look, as it shows the strength of the 24/1.8 as well which despite howls of complaint from the bleachers about its cost, sells very well.
That 24 SEM lens is technically better than the 21D. It is the best wide angle made, very likely. It is substantially better than the similar designed and similarly impressive 21mm SEM which weakens more in the outer frame.
It will handle the demands of the a7r without raising a sweat, and I hope it works too - putting these kinds of lenses on a crop sensor is like pulling two spark plug leads off a V8. It's unusual for Leica in that it is a bit untidy wide open, hence the slower aperture.
Shelt is the guy who did a very nice comparo (thanks!), well worth a good look, as it shows the strength of the 24/1.8 as well which despite howls of complaint from the bleachers about its cost, sells very well.
That 24 SEM lens is technically better than the 21D. It is the best wide angle made, very likely. It is somewhat better than the similar designed and similarly impressive 21mm SEM which weakens more in the outer frame, but degrees of excellence here, as both are top class.
It will handle the demands of the a7r without raising a sweat, and I hope it works too - putting these kinds of lenses on a crop sensor is like pulling two spark plug leads off a V8. It's unusual for Leica in that it is a bit untidy wide open, hence the slower aperture.
The 24mm SEM is the target lens for the Zeiss FE wide angle I would hope.
Mounted a noctilux f1 on an a7r at the photoplus expo today in NYC. The Sony rep took the Otus 55 1.4 and we compared sharpness, and obviously the Zeiss lens won very easily.
philip_pj wrote:
That 24 SEM lens is technically better than the 21D. It is the best wide angle made, very likely. It is substantially better than the similar designed and similarly impressive 21mm SEM which weakens more in the outer frame.
Funny how much diff a measley 3mm can make.
My 24L TS-E is a fav at 24mm, very well corrected, imo ... just not exactly what you might call small. I mount it vastly more than I do my Oly 24, 21 or 18 (which are quietly waiting in the wings for the A7R).
yofredmoik wrote:
Mounted a noctilux f1 on an a7r at the photoplus expo today in NYC. The Sony rep took the Otus 55 1.4 and we compared sharpness, and obviously the Zeiss lens won very easily.
Is that strange, egg-shaped bokeh with pointed ends typical of this lens?
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Interesting. I thought it might be due to using an F1 lens on the a7r specifically.
Bokeh is a pretty subjective thing I suppose. That particular bokeh doesn't do it for me.
ha! all the f/1.2 or faster lenses have very "special" bokeh. surely you've seen shots with the f/1 noct before? it's definitely not a smooth bokeh lens. it's a funky wonder. in the right hands it can do amazing light painting, though not the kind of things most bokeh connoisseurs are interested in these days.
