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p.9 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Wow!!!!! A stunner. What is Canon going to do next?


Oct 16, 2013 at 01:12 PM
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p.9 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


curious80 wrote:
For adapted lenses, I think this is going to be a terrific option. However, for those interested in a native AF solution, we have to wait and see what other lenses come up.


The FPS and AF are they only thing holding up CANIKON at the moment. Maybe sony felt sorry for them

We will see a bigger model in January with really good AF I'd bet.

Lenses are and will come out of the woodwork.

The shutter noise has also left a few survivors: that is a real shame. Oh well, just have to brace myself for the reaction.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:13 PM
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p.9 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


itai195 wrote:
If you want to use native lenses, what does A7 really get you over a Fuji?


It all comes down to viewing/print size. 16mp aps-c to 36mp FF is a noticeable jump in image quality, if you need it, and even 24mp FF should be a worthwhile improvement.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:21 PM
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p.9 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


curious80 wrote:
I understand. For adapted lenses, I think this is going to be a terrific option. However, for those interested in a native AF solution, we have to wait and see what other lenses come up.


I will probably keep my better 5N AF lenses for a while, and hopefully can use them in crop mode. That will give me all the functionality I currently have with 5N, a much improved user interface (though I will miss the touch screen), AND the possibility to use my adapted lenses in FF mode. For me, it should be a solid win, except for the hit to my pocketbook. I will be waiting with you to see how the native glass works out. That has been the most frustrating aspect of Sony for me personally.

I expect to keep part of my Nikon gear (D7100 & teles) for action shooting. Need to figure out what adapter to use - I want to put my Sig 35 1.4 and Sig 150 OS on the Sony. I used the 35 a small bit on the 5N, and the results were outstanding.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:29 PM
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p.9 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


It is interesting that the FM side bar has announced the new innovative Sonys and next to it is a lens Canon can't rid of because of a failed system camera.


Oct 16, 2013 at 01:43 PM
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p.9 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


mco_970 wrote:
I would expect your TSE's to be fabulous on the 36 MP NEX.

I have sorely missed my CY35-70 since I switched to Nikon. This will give me a great place to park one.



The Zeiss 35-70/3.4 can be adapted to Nikon.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:45 PM
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p.9 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


hiepphotog wrote:
As for the Novoflex, I have used their Contax, Nikon and Leica M adapter. Personally, I think the Rayqual (from Cameraquest) or Metabones (too bad they don't have the plain vanilla version) is better in term of construction.


That doesn't say much for Novoflex, if the Metabones is better built - the Metabones adapter I bought for my Fuji is probably the sloppiest-fitting adapter I've ever used.

The idea of being able to use Canon EF lenses on the new Sonys sounds very appealing, but these third-party adapters all seem to leave a lot to be desired.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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molson wrote:
That doesn't say much for Novoflex, if the Metabones is better built - the Metabones adapter I bought for my Fuji is probably the sloppiest-fitting adapter I've ever used.

The idea of being able to use Canon EF lenses on the new Sonys sounds very appealing, but these third-party adapters all seem to leave a lot to be desired.


My Novoflex adapter for Leica R lenses to my Fujifilm and Leica R to M 4/3 are quite tight and extremely well made. I expect the same for my Leica R to NEX adapter that I should have shortly.

Rich



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:49 PM
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p.9 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


molson wrote:
That doesn't say much for Novoflex, if the Metabones is better built - the Metabones adapter I bought for my Fuji is probably the sloppiest-fitting adapter I've ever used.

The idea of being able to use Canon EF lenses on the new Sonys sounds very appealing, but these third-party adapters all seem to leave a lot to be desired.


Well, Richard already corrected me on the Novoflex Leica R NEX adapter quality. The Contax version, which is what I had, is still not as good as the Rayqual. As for the Metabones, I meant the Canon EF NEX adapter. That is one sturdy adapter with a decent tripod foot. I don't use any other Metabones.



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:51 PM
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p.9 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Here is some indication as to why the 55/1.8 is so expensive. Non-traditional standard lens design and very good looking mtf:

http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_SEL55F18Z_comosition.jpg
http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_SEL55F18Z_MTF.jpg



Oct 16, 2013 at 01:58 PM
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p.9 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Samyang bringing 5 primes in 2 months... http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/miracle-five-primes-for-the-a7-a7r-coming-in-two-months-form-samyang/

Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC
Samyang 24mm f/1.4 ED AS IF UMC
Samyang T-S 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC
Samyang 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC
Samyang 85mm f/1.4 AS IF UMC



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:03 PM
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p.9 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Some samples from HK:
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dchome.net%2Fforum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D1228252%26extra%3Dpage%253D1

& CV12mm
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dchome.net%2Fforum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D1228246%26extra%3Dpage%253D1



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:06 PM
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p.9 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


douglasf13 wrote:
Here is some indication as to why the 55/1.8 is so expensive. Non-traditional standard lens design and very good looking mtf:

http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_SEL55F18Z_comosition.jpg
http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_SEL55F18Z_MTF.jpg


Let me put things in perspective. Here is the MTF of the ZA 135/1.8 (supposed to be the sharpest ZA lens). We all know that Sony MTFs are calculated. So assuming they are both calculated under the same parameter (ignoring diffraction, effect of different wavelengths, etc.), that would still put this 55 as good as the ZA 135. Even the ZA 50/1.4 is not that good. We're seeing Lux 50 ASPH level right here.








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Oct 16, 2013 at 02:11 PM
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p.9 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


naturephoto1 wrote:
My Novoflex adapter for Leica R lenses to my Fujifilm and Leica R to M 4/3 are quite tight and extremely well made. I expect the same for my Leica R to NEX adapter that I should have shortly.

Rich


My Novoflex Hasselblad-Contax 645 and Hasselblad-Nikon adapters were both perfect, technically and built quality. I have never in my life heard of a sloppy Novoflex product. Is that an ancient product, or perhaps a fake?



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:13 PM
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p.9 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Why is the shutter so loud anyway? I don't think it is physically necessary for it to be loud.

Arka C.



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:18 PM
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p.9 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


god what a terrible shot to try to judge the CV 12

the 50/1.8 looks wild sharp. But I think maybe my 50 cron can keep up



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:24 PM
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p.9 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


carstenw wrote:
The Zeiss 35-70/3.4 can be adapted to Nikon.


I read the instructions on the Leitax site when I switched to Nikon and it's definitely not something I'd try. Esp. not after having issues with the much simpler adaptation to Canon.

I do see that after my mess with it, Leitax is now automatically supplying a new metal ball bearing... I think the reason for that is me.



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:25 PM
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p.9 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Mark Metternich wrote:
Wow!!!!! A stunner. What is Canon going to do next?

Maybe they'll wake up.

Heck, even the Canon Rumors guy has preordered the Sony A7r. If that doesn't tell you something....






Oct 16, 2013 at 02:27 PM
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p.9 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


uhoh7 wrote:
god what a terrible shot to try to judge the CV 12

the 50/1.8 looks wild sharp. But I think maybe my 50 cron can keep up


If those mtfs are to be believed, maybe if you have the 50 Cron AA, but the regular cron can't quite compete, if we're talking resolution and flat field performance. The 55/1.8 looks like it could be a real halo lens for the system.



Oct 16, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.9 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Any indication of an electronic first curtain option with these two new critters? Perhaps I missed it. I wonder if shutter shoock will be an issue.


Oct 16, 2013 at 02:30 PM
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