p.59 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Indeed, I've done so little work with professional models that I had not been aware of the contact phenomenon before yesterday. This has been discussed to death, but these crazy res sensors create their own sorts of challenges.
nandadevieast:
After the quick hands-on yesterday, I can confirm that eye-detect AFdoes work with a-mount adapted lenses using the LA-EA4. And it seemed quite snappy too!
p.59 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
frozenbc wrote:
Indeed, I've done so little work with professional models that I had not been aware of the contact phenomenon before yesterday. This has been discussed to death, but these crazy res sensors create their own sorts of challenges.
nandadevieast:
After the quick hands-on yesterday, I can confirm that eye-detect AFdoes work with a-mount adapted lenses using the LA-EA4. And it seemed quite snappy too!
I hope you're correct, but just a heads-up that seeing a white box identifying a face in the EVF doesn't make the camera focus on that face. You'll get the white box even with manual focus alt lenses on.
p.59 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
frozenbc wrote:
Indeed, I've done so little work with professional models that I had not been aware of the contact phenomenon before yesterday. This has been discussed to death, but these crazy res sensors create their own sorts of challenges.
I don't know what these challenges are. If this is what the contact lens looks like in reality, then you will see the same structures with lower resolution sensors if the image magnification is a bit larger. The eye is not particularly big or well resolved in this picture.
p.59 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
A fair bit of warning Toothwalker, and now you've got me doubting what I saw. But just rarely. I wasn't handling the camera at the time, but I'm 99% sure I saw an A7 + LA-EA4 + Zeiss ZA 50 1.4 tracking a subject's actual eyeballs (NOT face) on the lcd. However, the subject was looking directly into the camera, so it's anyone's guess how this feature holds up in real-world use.
p.59 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Short 'interested observer' report from the 'PDNshow' (whatever that is), from SAR, confirming what is obvious from Sony gifting buyers (like me) an LAEA4/metabones M/C/N >E adapter with the a7r - plus their general strategy to use alt lenses (CN are now Alt, get used to it) for their users' pleasure and to cover all the 'not enough native lenses' moaning until Zeiss start unleashing more FE and MF lenses.
Not enough lenses, eh - look in your bag, use what you already have, unless you have an RX1 or similar it will go on.
'..the Sony people to my surprise were actively talking about 3rd party lens options, adapters, legacy glass from other makes, etc. By actively I mean encouraging it—and not just at the booths one-on-one, but in their mini-theater presentations, too.'
p.59 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Ouch! The F2 Sonnar on the RX1 is dramatically better than that with bokeh. That's the first example of poor bokeh I have seen from the FE 35 2.8.
It'd be nice but probably overly optimistic to expect RX1 class bokeh from the little FE35/2.8. I was hoping they would bring out a RX1 class killer-35mm but figured that might wait a while for understandable competitive reasons. Maybe the 35 is one lens where we'll see "high speed" primes in 2014 or 2015 per the Sony musings on their FE roadmap.
The FE55 on the other hand so far looks very good in the out of focus areas.
p.59 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
philip_pj wrote:
Short 'interested observer' report from the 'PDNshow' (whatever that is), from SAR, confirming what is obvious from Sony gifting buyers (like me) an LAEA4/metabones M/C/N >E adapter with the a7r - plus their general strategy to use alt lenses (CN are now Alt, get used to it) for their users' pleasure and to cover all the 'not enough native lenses' moaning until Zeiss start unleashing more FE and MF lenses.
Not enough lenses, eh - look in your bag, use what you already have, unless you have an RX1 or similar it will go on.
'..the Sony people to my surprise were actively talking about 3rd party lens options, adapters, legacy glass from other makes, etc. By actively I mean encouraging it—and not just at the booths one-on-one, but in their mini-theater presentations, too.'
p.59 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
michaelwatkins wrote:
It'd be nice but probably overly optimistic to expect RX1 class bokeh from the little FE35/2.8. I was hoping they would bring out a RX1 class killer-35mm but figured that might wait a while for understandable competitive reasons. Maybe the 35 is one lens where we'll see "high speed" primes in 2014 or 2015 per the Sony musings on their FE roadmap.
The FE55 on the other hand so far looks very good in the out of focus areas.
Yes, the examples from the FE 55 look very good excepting a little strong LoCA in some instances.
I don't think the lack of an F2 or faster 35mm prime is due to concern over competing against the RX1 as much as technical issues in creating an interchangeable FF E-Mount lens of that caliber and performance. Sony has said as much previously.
p.59 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Ouch! The F2 Sonnar on the RX1 is dramatically better than that with bokeh. That's the first example of poor bokeh I have seen from the FE 35 2.8.
I'm wondering if the intrinsic 'clarity' that the new cameras are boasting will cause funky bokeh in some cases. Or could it be oversharpening? The bokeh looks kind of sharpened to me, instead of melting smoothly away.
Can't tell if it's the optic or the processing, but it is fairly distracting in those images.
p.59 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
mco_970 wrote:
I'm wondering if the intrinsic 'clarity' that the new cameras are boasting will cause funky bokeh in some cases. Or could it be oversharpening? The bokeh looks kind of sharpened to me, instead of melting smoothly away.
Can't tell if it's the optic or the processing, but it is fairly distracting in those images.
To me, it definitely looks like a product of the optics in those examples.
p.59 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
To me, it definitely looks like a product of the optics in those examples.
I see both: I see unnaturally sharp edges to the highlights that looks the result of overprocessing (that set of images on a whole look kinda cooked), but I also see some distracting irregular shapes to the oof areas that seem more a result of optics.
p.59 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Yes, the odd bokeh shapes and brightness are due to the optics. Given those examples are probably close to the minimum focus distance of the lens, it may be the bokeh looks dramatically better at other distances, particularly since I don't recall seeing FE 35 bokeh that bad previously (and I have been looking at it in examples).
p.59 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Although it's hard to say without doing a side by side test, that FE 35 bokeh sure doesn't remind me of the RX1. Then again, the bokeh of the RX1 is pretty unusual for any wide angle lens that I've seen. There are likely things inherent to the fixed lens design that can't be duplicated in an interchangeable lens.
p.59 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Philip said " Sony gifting buyers (like me) an LAEA4/metabones M/C/N >E adapter with the a7r" Has anyone heard if Sony will be doing the same in the U.S. ?
p.59 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
SAR had a chat on this recently, dennishh, it can't hurt to ask your Sony seller with an indignant tone in your voice...the consensus at SAR was this was either bad form by Sony elsewhere or really good form in Aust.
I am still reeling at the fact that Sonys come with no charger in the package in other parts of the world (so I've read) , has never been the case here in Aust. maybe they like us or want to get more market presence..
