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p.46 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


rji2goleez wrote:
Steve Huff - day two: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/30/day-two-sony-a7-and-a7r-with-zeiss-otus-and-more/


Note the use of the Otus 55 1.4 on a couple of shots. That is a killer lens.



Oct 30, 2013 at 08:19 AM
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p.46 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


rji2goleez wrote:
Steve Huff - day two: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/30/day-two-sony-a7-and-a7r-with-zeiss-otus-and-more/


Not that Huff is the best source on earth but it's starting to look like maybe the A7 will make a bit of a "come back" in the Alt circles...



Oct 30, 2013 at 08:20 AM
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p.46 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Mr.Huff, is that difficult to shoot a picture focused at infinity with plenty of details in the corners ?. Is that difficult to show 100% crops of those corners ?. What do you expect that we conclude from those 1200x1800 downsized pictures with the ZM 21/2.8, where only the center is in focus ?.
I'm trusting only fellow forum members -as Ron Schoeffler- to make real tell tale tests about the performances of the A7(r) with RF wides. All the 'Internet star reviewers' are pretty useless in this regard.



Oct 30, 2013 at 08:55 AM
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p.46 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


artur5 wrote:
Mr.Huff, is that difficult to shoot a picture focused at infinity with plenty of details in the corners ?. Is that difficult to show 100% crops of those corners ?. What do you expect that we conclude from those 1200x1800 downsized pictures with the ZM 21/2.8, where only the center is in focus ?.
I'm trusting only fellow forum members -as Ron Schoeffler- to make real tell tale tests about the performances of the A7(r) with RF wides. All the 'Internet star reviewers' are pretty useless in this regard.


You are right to trust Ron - and others here- but to be fair to Huff, he does state that this is just an initial report and more will follow in the full review...

"I will have more thoughts as I use it more and when I do my full review."

I do appreciate his candor and reserved enthusiasm with regard to the A7 vs A7r:

"The A7R offers pure power in resolution and that is about the only advantage it gives over the cheaper A7 (besides slight build on the dials). I love both but the A7 shutter is quieter, the AF is faster and the camera costs less and does better with wide angle Leica M glass!"



Oct 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM
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p.46 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


More photos from TN:

slrlounge A7/A7R samples

Sony A7r and Zeiss 55mm f1.4 Otus



Oct 30, 2013 at 10:14 AM
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p.46 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


artur5 wrote:
Mr.Huff, is that difficult to shoot a picture focused at infinity with plenty of details in the corners ?. Is that difficult to show 100% crops of those corners ?. What do you expect that we conclude from those 1200x1800 downsized pictures with the ZM 21/2.8, where only the center is in focus ?.
I'm trusting only fellow forum members -as Ron Schoeffler- to make real tell tale tests about the performances of the A7(r) with RF wides. All the 'Internet star reviewers' are pretty useless in this regard.


Huff writes: "Remember, this is NOT a review in any way, shape or form on the new Sony products. It is simply a first real world look and my 1st thoughts on using them..."

Apparently you must have missed the "this is NOT a review in any way" part of Huff's blog post.

Edited on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM · View previous versions



Oct 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM
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p.46 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Whilst I am not the biggest supporter of Huff, people need to stop metaphorically bashing him. Give him, as well all the others bloggers/reviewers/etc., the credit for what they have done so far.

Let us not forget, we are not part of the bunch that Sony is taking from place to place and therefore we have no idea what kind of schedule they are running on. Who knows, maybe it is Sony yapping a lot and robbing them the chance to do some controlled tests in the middle of some horse farm. Get the gist now?

We all need a bit of patience. Happy discussions



Oct 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM
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p.46 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Some examples of the A7R + Zeiss 55mm f1.4 Otus
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/10/30/quick-samples-sony-a7r-zeiss-55mm-f1-4-otus/



Oct 30, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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p.46 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


SAR is reporting that the availability dates for the A7 and the A7r have been changed so that the cameras are to be available in Europe and Asia earlier and in the US as later.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/a7-a7r-availability-changes-in-us-coming-earlier-in-eu-and-asia/

The cameras are rumored to ship in Germany in mid November and in Asia they are to ship in 2-3 weeks.

B&H Photo in the US has changed the delivery estimation date from late November to the beginning of December. Amazon lists the cameras with a a delivery estimation of December 1.

Looking at the items for my order from B&H Photo, they have now also moved the date for my Semi-Hard LCD Screen Protector from as I recall mid December to the end of December. Since my order is supposed to ship in full (not in pieces), I may not see my camera until early 2014.

Rich



Oct 30, 2013 at 01:46 PM
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p.46 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


^ Why in the world would you delay your camera receipt on waiting for an LCD protector



Oct 30, 2013 at 02:01 PM
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p.46 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


cputeq wrote:
^ Why in the world would you delay your camera receipt on waiting for an LCD protector


I don't want to potentially damage the LCD screen. I have always used LCD screen protectors on my LCD camera screens.

Rich



Oct 30, 2013 at 02:04 PM
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p.46 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


naturephoto1 wrote:
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B&H Photo in the US has changed the delivery estimation date from late November to the beginning of December. Amazon lists the cameras with a a delivery estimation of December 1.

...


Well, I guess that'll give those in the US (and likely Canada) extra time to evaluate test results from other users before having to pay for their pre-orders.



Oct 30, 2013 at 02:28 PM
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p.46 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Steve Huff: Day 3 with the Sony A7 and A7r – Nashville Musicians and Models!


Oct 30, 2013 at 03:19 PM
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p.46 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


serhan_ wrote:
Steve Huff: Day 3 with the Sony A7 and A7r – Nashville Musicians and Models!


Must remind myself ... CY Zeiss 35mm f1.4 is still a good lens, FD 50mm f1.2L is still a good lens, OM 50mm f1.2 is stll a good lens ... no need to RUN OUT AND BUY AN OTUS.

Keep reminding myself ...



Oct 30, 2013 at 04:29 PM
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p.46 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


ebrandon wrote:
Must remind myself ... CY Zeiss 35mm f1.4 is still a good lens, FD 50mm f1.2L is still a good lens, OM 50mm f1.2 is stll a good lens ... no need to RUN OUT AND BUY AN OTUS.

Keep reminding myself ...


Personally, I think that iIf you're planning on using the lens on an A7 or A7r, I'd wait until someone does a comparison of the Otus and the new 55/1.8.



Oct 30, 2013 at 04:39 PM
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p.46 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


The Phoblographer has some complaints http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/10/30/finding-wrong-sony-a7-a7r-far/



Oct 30, 2013 at 04:43 PM
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p.46 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I'm guessing that's bokeh CA issues on the 55 1.8 that The Phoblographer is referring to.


Oct 30, 2013 at 04:53 PM
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p.46 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


he he, i love the difference between the phoblographer and huff's descriptions of how peaking works.




Oct 30, 2013 at 04:59 PM
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p.46 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


sebboh wrote:
he he, i love the difference between the phoblographer and huff's descriptions of how peaking works.



This goes to confirm the point that you've made several times about not relying on focus peaking and only using magnified view.

My own experience with the Nex 7 is that with lots of practice I can toggle back and forth between focus peaking and magnified view. I've still had good results with peaking set to low and getting a glimmer around the pupil for shooting faces with the eye in focus. Not sure why this would be different with FF.



Oct 30, 2013 at 05:03 PM
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p.46 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I like just cranking sharpening instead of using peaking at all. It gives an in-focus "shimmer" around the areas in focus that's usually good enough with an EVF.


Oct 30, 2013 at 05:07 PM
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