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p.19 #1 · Adobe kills standalone software


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Yes. I have Photoshop CS5 set up perfectly with numerous custom actions. It took me a long time to learn PS and compile those actions. I am so used to PS and frankly I love it. Best software I have ever owned. Easily my favorite piece of software. But now that it will be ransomware.......I don't like the feeling. I don't see myself moving away from Photoshop. There is nothing out there that comes close to it. Plus I don't want to have to learn a new piece of software again. I am proficient at using Photoshop. It took
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The more people subscribe to CC, the more likely the renting software world view wins. It's that simple. Money will decide who wins this battle.



May 10, 2013 at 04:58 PM
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p.19 #2 · Adobe kills standalone software


Adobe's move, and ability to do so, is another unanticipated consequence of the internet age. The Matrix has arrived.


May 10, 2013 at 05:25 PM
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p.19 #3 · Adobe kills standalone software


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... But this monthly rental situation goes against my economic world view. There is a clash of two worlds that don't fit together. One will win. One will lose. Time will tell which one.


Exactly - its just the way Hitler feels - "I don't rent my Fu@#$# Panzers!!"....





May 10, 2013 at 08:13 PM
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Exactly - its just the way Hitler feels - "I don't rent my Fu@#$# Panzers!!"....



Saw it yesterday. Awesome.



May 10, 2013 at 08:17 PM
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p.19 #5 · Adobe kills standalone software


This video sums up my thoughts on the Creative Cloud, and what Adobe is doing to their loyal customer base. http://goo.gl/XgX6W


May 10, 2013 at 09:14 PM
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p.19 #6 · Adobe kills standalone software


michael49 wrote:
Exactly - its just the way Hitler feels - "I don't rent my Fu@#$# Panzers!!"....



Yep - I think that video sums up many of our feelings on this.

My first thoughts are everything must stay into LR and keep the remaining 5-10% in what I can manage with CS6.

I have no problem paying a monthly for PS *IF* I could elect to keep what software I have already paid in to. However, to pay monthly or loose all processing capability puts a lot a risk on the consumer.

I'm approaching 60 and only need to look at the next 20-30 years - but what about those of you that still have 50 years of shooting and processing left in you? That is a significant cost!

If anything this will be the incentive that the competition needs to go against Adobe - because if there is anything developed in the future that can offer a viable alternative solution then I predict there will be big sales.

There is a huge and hungry crowd of programmers out there - and it will be interesting to see where supply/demand takes this story.

I would say watch this space because if its the monthly fee "my way or the highway" then someone will surely step up and listen to the needs of the customer.

Dave




May 11, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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I've been reading this thread and thinking about Adobe's new usage model for it's software.

I've been working in the computer industry since before IBM released their original PC. When I first read someone's EULA I was a little distressed to find out I didn't in fact own the software I thought I'd just bought. I'd only bought the right to use the software. I also realized that I was not allowed to use this on more than one computer at any given time. I got over it.

This sounds so much like what many of us as photographers do, sell the rights to use our product, the images, for a specific use such as a print campaign or for web use. We may sell the right to use our images for any use if we so choose. We negotiate usage with the client, or we just just simply tell the client how the images may or may not be used.

Way back when I had a difficult time explaining how computers and software worked to a mostly computer illiterate customer base. As computers caught on the general public, businesses and individuals learned about them and the explaining became simpler. I found it easy to relate computers and software to cars. People understood cars.

I find what Adobe is doing is not so bad. I don't like it but it's not really so bad.

I deliver finished product to my clients. I sell my work in one of two ways. I have stock images that I've taken and sell as framed prints or as greeting cards. I'm also available for hire as a photographer with usage of the images, the finished product, predefined. I deliver prints, web ready images, electronic copies. What ever the client wants and we agree upon. Done.

I'm thinking what Adobe is doing is with this 'software as a service' thing. If I have to move my household from one place to another I rent a truck, fill it up with my belongings, move, empty the truck and then return the truck. I pay for the usage of the truck for as long as I need it. When I need to move myself around on a daily basis I rent, lease or buy a vehicle that suits my needs. If the car companies decided not to sell cars anymore but to just rent or lease them I would adapt by getting just what I needed for as long as I needed it. I only need a one seater car to get me from A to B, a two seater if I bring the girlfriend along and something bigger if we go on a trip. That's it. I currently own a van that I have needs for from time to time. I certainly don't need a van to run to the corner store in.

When you need Adobe products for a job, rent them, do the job and move on. As with all successful business models the customer pays. If I need a special tool for a job, be it a lens, body, printer, dvd or paper, I rent or buy it. The customer pays.

I think the arguement of all your work and files being digital garbage if you don't pay the monthly fee to Adobe is hogwash. The camera produces the files. You still have them and the reader the camera manufacturer gave you with it. The work you've processed through any post processing software such as Photoshop, Capture1 or whatever is finished work. It's done and over with.

I don't see the problem with having to rent tools to work with.

How many times in your life have you gone to the store to purchase a replacement for something that has worn out to find out "They don't make them anymore." You adapt and purchase a replacement. The new product never works the same as the one you're used to but you adapt and carry on.



May 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM
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GeorgeM wrote:
I think the arguement of all your work and files being digital garbage if you don't pay the monthly fee to Adobe is hogwash. The camera produces the files. You still have them and the reader the camera manufacturer gave you with it. The work you've processed through any post processing software such as Photoshop, Capture1 or whatever is finished work. It's done and over with.


It really depends on how you work. If, like many designers and some photographers, you work with many layers and are accustomed to saving layered PSD's, then you could very likely be unable to edit those layered files in other software or earlier versions of CS (and particularly layers which used any features introduced in CC). Yes, you could flatten everything - and loose the ability to edit the layers - but for many that's not a viable option. I know I have many layered PSD's with text layers, masks, adj layers and so on where I can go back and later edit an layer. If I were to flatten that file, I loose that ability - loose all my time and work - and would have to start all over from scratch under the model Adobe is suggesting (that is, if I did not keep my life long Adobe subscription up to date). In this not uncommon example, your analogy with tools would be like renting tools to build something and then, after having spent all your time and effort to build it, loosing access to what you built. I suppose this is going to be a huge frustration for projects created with any of the CC apps - the potential of getting locked-out of your own files, whether it be work-in-progress or projects/ files which one would need to be able to edit/ change something in later. For most creative professionals, it's seldom ever "done and over with" when it comes to files.



May 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM
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There will be an immense pressure of the financial markets on the remaining software makers to adapt this extremely profitable model.
In a long run we have to support small software makers like picturecode (PhotoNinja) and photoline (pl32.com) and invest some money in supporting open source development.
The possible acceptance of Adobe's CC model over the next month will have an huge impact on the future of software industry.


rattymouse wrote:
The more people subscribe to CC, the more likely the renting software world view wins. It's that simple. Money will decide who wins this battle.




May 11, 2013 at 11:38 PM
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I think it will be interesting to see what happens when the introductory pricing starts to expire.

I can see why Adobe would move to this distribution model. No physical media, no retail distribution, much more direct control over version support, and they're opening up new markets for some of their applications that people may not use enough to justify purchasing a full license. Turning it into an opportunity to gouge the people who purchase their licenses was bad form, and those are the only people they're going to effect with this. People who used hacked unlicensed versions are going to continue to use hacked unlicensed versions. So long as there's a local copy that can be hacked to work without authentication, it will be hacked.



May 12, 2013 at 12:34 AM
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p.19 #11 · Adobe kills standalone software


GeorgeM wrote:
I've been reading this thread and thinking about Adobe's new usage model for it's software.

I've been working in the computer industry since before IBM released their original PC. When I first read someone's EULA I was a little distressed to find out I didn't in fact own the software I thought I'd just bought. I'd only bought the right to use the software. I also realized that I was not allowed to use this on more than one computer at any given time. I got over it.

This sounds so much like what many of us as photographers do, sell the
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Though you may have come to terms with it for yourself, the math simply doesn't work for me. For me, it boils down to this... Adobe's forced move to the "Creative Cloud" makes things a lot more convenient for Adobe, and they are asking for more money from much of their user base (nearly 2x in my case). If Adobe is going to force this upon us, we as customers must receive some sort of benefit to make it worth the added expense. I honestly don't see any benefit to the new system. Quite the contrary — we as customers are on the losing end, and we are being asked to pay more.

I don't rent my car, house, camera, wife, pets, mops, brooms, screwdrivers, or anything else. I also won't be renting software. Goodbye Adobe. You've lost yet another loyal customer.



May 12, 2013 at 12:38 AM
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GeorgeM wrote:
I think the arguement of all your work and files being digital garbage if you don't pay the monthly fee to Adobe is hogwash. The camera produces the files. You still have them and the reader the camera manufacturer gave you with it. The work you've processed through any post processing software such as Photoshop, Capture1 or whatever is finished work. It's done and over with.


If all you do with Photoshop is use it with ACR as a raw developer, then yes, but Photoshop isn't primarily a tool for photographers, despite the name. It has a very wide range of features for content creation and heavy editing/processing that is completely separate from existing RAW files, and the use of the former often results in layered PSD files which do become quite useless without Photoshop.

Edited on May 12, 2013 at 05:14 AM · View previous versions



May 12, 2013 at 12:44 AM
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GeorgeM wrote:
I find what Adobe is doing is not so bad. I don't like it but it's not really so bad.


Then you are probably only thinking superficially about cloud vs. standalone, and not about the actual terms of the cloud license. Try reading back a bit to find out about Adobe's rights grab.



May 12, 2013 at 04:51 AM
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Whoa!

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1212547/0#lastmessage



May 13, 2013 at 06:43 PM
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glacierpete wrote:
There will be an immense pressure of the financial markets on the remaining software makers to adapt this extremely profitable model.
In a long run we have to support small software makers like picturecode (PhotoNinja) and photoline (pl32.com) and invest some money in supporting open source development.
The possible acceptance of Adobe's CC model over the next month will have an huge impact on the future of software industry.


I'm beginning to think this is the way to go
How long before Capture One, Apple, Microsoft, etc. and others move to this model
Smaller/Independent software companies. Which sometimes are less expensive
The way it was before the big boys were around
It means a change in workflow and perhaps loss of certain plugins (there will mot likely be new ones)
It may mean a rethinking of how one works with new tools.


Edited on May 14, 2013 at 03:25 PM · View previous versions



May 13, 2013 at 07:14 PM
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Adobe reminds me of Apple and their arrogant "I'm the only player in town" attitude asking $600-800 for an iPhone. Or Netflix that thought they can charge more because people didn't have another choice. None of them ended well.


May 13, 2013 at 07:44 PM
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ReneMurea wrote:
Adobe reminds me of Apple and their arrogant "I'm the only player in town" attitude asking $600-800 for an iPhone. Or Netflix that thought they can charge more because people didn't have another choice. None of them ended well.


How didn't they end well? Both are immensely successful in their markets.

Also, Apple already uses the cloud but in a way that makes sense. When I take a picture with my iPhone while on travel, in the evening it will show up as screensaver slideshow on our Apple TV back home, without having anything set up. Or the movies that I buy in their cloud, I will keep forever without paying any subscription fee and can watch on any of their devices without having to worry about the physical media.



May 13, 2013 at 08:01 PM
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Without Jobs Apple is nothing and will end just like all other gadget makers. They could afford to be arrogant and demand huge premium when there was no other player around. Not anymore. Apple days are numbered. Coming with the very same iPhone in a different package won't cut it.
Adobe is not far pulling the same trick on its loyal customers. In my opinion they failed big time. As a loyal customer I want to have a choice to buy rather than "rent" or "lease". If they force my hand, they lost me as a customer.



May 13, 2013 at 08:16 PM
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Apple may find being first is not as good as being best.

Maybe other vendors in the PS market will stick to the 'it ain't broken' market model which suits the consumer immeasurably more than the producer, rather than follow Adobe down the 'pay for life' cloud hole...as for similar market leaders in s/w, who have in many cases stronger cases than Adobe, why have they not gone the dark cloud route already?

Not everyone wants a 'rent your own life' situation like GeorgeM. Me, I hate renting things I have to research and choose carefully, you lose touch with the goods or even the service, it ends up just another grubby commercial deal that lives in perpetuity and ends up owning you, not to mention being hemmed in by accounting/admin overheads.



May 13, 2013 at 08:37 PM
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Yeah, Apple - and I'm an Apple user (except for smartphones) - has a big problem going forward given where the majority of their revenue comes from. I wouldn't say their days are numbered but I think they have certainly peaked.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2013/05/13/how-why-apple-is-losing-mobile/



May 13, 2013 at 08:41 PM
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