zhangyue wrote:
The company need a way to generate sustainable revenue. to be realistic, I guess for most photographer, even early edition of PS is more than enough. If People choose not to upgrade, where is the money come from to do R&D.
Software is no different than other products: The money comes from making products that people gladly want to buy. Any other model may work in the short term but will drive you out of business in the long run.
I hoped that Adobe will have enough cash flow for at least 18 months - before users actually needed the cloud service - as they would ride the CS5/CS6 or even CS/4 to the end - or until they have to. In any business, if you don't have the positive cash flow, you should start thinking about Chapter-7 or 11 or 13...
snowboarder wrote:
no more updates beyond CS6 (!)
We are forced to a monthly subscription (cloud).
No, we are not forced to anything. We have the option of saying "NO."
Many years ago, I saw this coming.
When Microsoft and Adobe introduced Product Activation and forced their customers to be dependent on specific connections and license controls in order to work with their own files, I said that Product Activation was a precursor to their wet dream: To force all software users to use software as a subscription service, so that one cannot even write a letter to grandma without having paid for the subscription. Unfortunately, all too many accepted Product Activation - thereby signalling to Adobe and Microsoft that they could get away with that kind of software slavery.
Luckily, we do not need Adobe, Microsoft or others who want to force their customers over to net-based or net-dependent software.
None of these programs have Product Activation or depend on a Cloud connection in order to be used to access and work with our files. Needless to say, they can be backed up and re-installed at any time.
This principle must be fundamental and considered inviolable:
If we are to have safety of our data and full certainty that we will always be able to use our computers and access our data, it is an absolute prerequisite that the operating system and all applications are user-controlled. That means, the software needs to reside locally on the computer where it is used, it must be capable of being copied without restrictions, and the software must be capable of being installed and run indefinitely on compatible hardware with no ties at all to its manufacturer.
No doubt Adobe will come up with an excuse to change the. PSD file format for the next major cloud release of the suite. Things will get interesting then
bogatyr wrote:
No, we are not forced to anything. We have the option of saying "NO."
Many years ago, I saw this coming.
When Microsoft and Adobe introduced Product Activation and forced their customers to be dependent on specific connections and license controls in order to work with their own files, I said that Product Activation was a precursor to their wet dream: To force all software users to use software as a subscription service, so that one cannot even write a letter to grandma without having paid for the subscription. Unfortunately, all too many accepted Product Activation - thereby signalling to Adobe and Microsoft that they could get away with that kind of software slavery.
Luckily, we do not need Adobe, Microsoft or others who want to force their customers over to net-based or net-dependent software.
None of these programs have Product Activation or depend on a Cloud connection in order to be used to access and work with our files. Needless to say, they can be backed up and re-installed at any time.
This principle must be fundamental and considered inviolable:
If we are to have safety of our data and full certainty that we will always be able to use our computers and access our data, it is an absolute prerequisite that the operating system and all applications are user-controlled. That means, the software needs to reside locally on the computer where it is used, it must be capable of being copied without restrictions, and the software must be capable of being installed and run indefinitely on compatible hardware with no ties at all to its manufacturer.
Tell me, do you currently use the above mentioned software or do you use Adobe products. If not, why? Is it because Adobe products are the best at what they do? Personally I tried Gimp and it was a joke compared to PS. I don't want to go backwards to inferior software for my work.
Sam tran wrote:
I hoped that Adobe will have enough cash flow for at least 18 months - before users actually needed the cloud service - as they would ride the CS5/CS6 or even CS/4 to the end - or until they have to. In any business, if you don't have the positive cash flow, you should start thinking about Chapter-7 or 11 or 13...
Best wish Adobe.
I think the sudden spate of upgrades to CS6 should provide that cash. Wouldn't it be interesting if this whole thing is actually planned to get people to CS6, and maybe even as a decision-making process between classic and cloud?
carstenw wrote:
I think the sudden spate of upgrades to CS6 should provide that cash. Wouldn't it be interesting if this whole thing is actually planned to get people to CS6, and maybe even as a decision-making process between classic and cloud?
Could be. Over the heads of their customers. Not a good sign, but it is a well known trick in politics as well.
But when a stock drops about 8% in four days investors start to question the cause of a price drop, it could be a correction in the market place, or they could have other concerns.
burningheart wrote:
But when a stock drops about 8% in four days investors start to question the cause of a price drop, it could be a correction in the market place, or they could have other concerns.
OR there might be a correlation between Adobe share price falls and Jeff Schewe's diatribe posts
It goes even further than that, it seems like all the high-end Adobe-universe educators are turning out to be complete twats, and are making absolute fools of themselves.
I would not be surprised if Adobe comes out relatively unscathed but there is a huge swing in loyalty among the educator customers.
carstenw wrote:
It goes even further than that, it seems like all the high-end Adobe-universe educators are turning out to be complete twats, and are making absolute fools of themselves.
I would not be surprised if Adobe comes out relatively unscathed but there is a huge swing in loyalty among the educator customers.
Spot on, the 'high-end Adobe-universe educators' with a vested interest in the nether regions of Adobe's rectum, haven't exactly covered themselves in glory or shown much empathy with peoples concerns on Adobe's suspension of perpetual license software.
Think about it, it's a wet dream for them. With Adobe releasing small updates every 6 months they can update their education stuff and make more sales far more often. It's no wonder they're loving this so much. That the main market for their product, students and amateurs are not buying into the adobe 'bend over and be shafted' and will not be buying any more is what is getting them so angry. Smug gits. They ain't getting any more of my money...
Beni wrote:
Think about it, it's a wet dream for them. With Adobe releasing small updates every 6 months they can update their education stuff and make more sales far more often. It's no wonder they're loving this so much. That the main market for their product, students and amateurs are not buying into the adobe 'bend over and be shafted' and will not be buying any more is what is getting them so angry. Smug gits. They ain't getting any more of my money...
It can also go the other way. Due to the lack of "real" release, users may not feel the need for a full tutorial anymore.
That could result in a drop of income for them.
Fortunately, there is an obvious solution. For a "modest" monthly fee, they will keep you up-to-date about the features of the monthly version of the Adobe CC. In order to prevent you from still browsing education material that has become outdated at the last rolling release of Adobe CC, they could offer it only as a streaming material. That will be called Cloud something, monthly subscription only, no file to store on your computer (hey, you even save the storage space).
Beni wrote:
Think about it, it's a wet dream for them. With Adobe releasing small updates every 6 months they can update their education stuff and make more sales far more often. It's no wonder they're loving this so much. That the main market for their product, students and amateurs are not buying into the adobe 'bend over and be shafted' and will not be buying any more is what is getting them so angry. Smug gits. They ain't getting any more of my money...
Adobe's real problems will surface in the long term when the backlash from this move, felt by future professionals (students now), will impact them greatly. They have essentially killed any current customer "good will" they had - and that's something hard to come back from.
Ho1972 wrote:
That good will was already on life support. Ask anyone who had to (or still has to) repeatedly enter their serial number for CS6 to work.
And then there's tech support...
"Hallo? How I am halping you today?"
