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Steve Spencer wrote:
Micro 4/3rds also has the Voigtlander 17.5mm f/0.95 which is a largish. I don't have one, but from the samples I have seen around here it seems to be stunning from f/1.4 or wider in aperture. I think someone around here has one and can comment on it, but it may even surpass the ZA 24 in performance.


Indeed it does, I didn't mention it as the OP was interested in a system which would allow him to also shoot a young child, which means AF to me.

I'm actually considering the CV 17 myself, I've sold off all my NEX kit after acquiring the OM-D and need a replacement for the ZA E 24/1.8, which I loved and miss.




Apr 28, 2013 at 08:32 AM
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p.2 #2 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


The CV 17.5 is great. However, there is some field curvature at infinity that can keep the corners from being ultra sharp at a distance.

My full review: http://admiringlight.com/blog/review-voigtlander-nokton-17-5mm-f0-95/



Apr 28, 2013 at 09:02 AM
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p.2 #3 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Went ahead and bought NEX 6 with 16-50 lens, battery is charging right now. Thanks for all the great input.

Cheers
Hash



May 12, 2013 at 05:21 PM
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p.2 #4 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Hash,

I am running two NEX 6 bodies presently; although there is a lot of criticism around re. how they resemble computers more than cameras, the fact is once set up, you only need the menu to format a card.

I have the same zoom, but (so far) have never used it. I bought the Sigma twins ($199 for both) and one lives on one body and one on the other. Both lenses are stellar. I have the Siggy 60/2.8 on pre-order, and a CV 12/5.6 for wide.

Overall, for me, the NEx 6 is the best practical all-rounder (I need video as well as stills), the mirrorless world has seen so far and I have owned most of them! Congrats on your purchase.



May 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM
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p.2 #5 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Congrats on your new camera, hash!


May 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM
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p.2 #6 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


philber wrote:
Simply put...



Very well said.
Mirrorless is the future, but currently the limiting factor is the DSLR manufacturer itself.



May 12, 2013 at 11:53 PM
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p.2 #7 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Hash - I use the NEX 7 and like it a lot. Try to do some testing to ensure that your sensor is flat. In several cases NEX 7s were not.

I just did some testing last night of the Sigma twins and some Zeiss and Sony options. It's in a thread here.

Considering weight, price and results the Sigma's are impossible to beat.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1212391

My wife shot this seagull with a NEX 5 and the kit lens from a moving car - no complaints here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissgeist/8565810031/sizes/o/in/photostream/






May 13, 2013 at 03:01 PM
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I also just got a NEX-6. Lenses are on the way now. Got a cheap $26 CCTV lens that'll be here first to hold me over haha, a chinese speed booster copy (Nikon F-E Mount), and trying to decide what native/AF lens i want.
Probably going to get a Siggy 19.
Very excited about this camera. I've had a few mirrorless, lots of DSLRs, and I just don't think I want to carry bigger cameras and lenses anymore.



May 13, 2013 at 03:09 PM
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p.2 #9 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Thanks for kind wishes, will probably get 19mm as used to love 28mm on D700 and missed it a lot when downsized to D80.

How do I test for sensor flatness?

Any tips on setting up camera? I was most comfortable when using central sensor to focus on D700 and then recomposing and keeping continuous focus, the camera used to switch focus sensors when I recomposed and stayed locked on the subject even if it moved. Is there anything similar in NEX? I am finding the menus a bit confusing but hopefully will learn to use the more efficiently.

Thanks
Hash



May 14, 2013 at 09:41 AM
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My wife shot this seagull with a NEX 5 and the kit lens from a moving car - no complaints here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissgeist/8565810031/sizes/o/in/photostream/

That is very impressive, which lens was she using?

Thanks
Hash



May 14, 2013 at 09:44 AM
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p.2 #11 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


hashaama wrote:
That is very impressive, which lens was she using?

Thanks
Hash


18-55 OIS by the looks of it (53mm in EXIF, so it can only be that or one of the 18-200's). Note the 18-55's the better of the two kit zooms, but also significantly larger than the 16-50.



May 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM
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Sensor flatness - use a flat surface - and compare something in the corners and the middle. One way might to be tape new currency to a flat wall, illuminate very well and then using a stable tripod focus on the center piece - take the photo and then look at the corners. Use different lenses to make sure it's not a lens issue.

You can also just take a brick wall photo and see if the mortar and bricks are as clear (or clear enough) as the ones in the center. If any corner is particularly bad suspect an unflat sensor.

Best way is a good Imatest setup. I just tested my Sony 50 OSS today and it did quite well.

Pretty flat from center to corners and notice how the corners are grouped pretty tight. Good lens, good camera and clean sensor. This is a JPG straight from the camera with no post.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissgeist/8737774097/in/photostream/lightbox/

The lens for the bird photo was the 18-55 kit lens. (I also rejected 3 of these before finding a keeper). There is a lot of variation in cameras - see lens rentals blog.








May 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM
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p.2 #13 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


My method - (IMHO)

Shoot raw - use lightroom or other tools. Although you will get some very crowd pleasing photos with vivid setting and PMB.

Use middle f stops unless trying to achieve something artistic - so I stay 4.0-5.6 for most.

Use a tripod.

Keep ISO low - should be the last thing you sacrifice. If you want grain later you can do it in post.

Use a remote trigger - the little Sony IR works well at $20 appx

Use a CPL in the bright sun and reflective surfaces - it makes a huge difference.

Use hoods.

Know your lens faults. Like the great Hollywood Distagon that is 3d in daylight and very clear but has SCF when bright lights confront it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissgeist/8734319878/in/photostream/lightbox/

Know how to critically focus - use live view - go to 11x and move the cursor around - recompose etc.

I would say avoid Varios but there's this photo taken with the much maligned 28-85 Zeiss Vario

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeissgeist/8440126444/lightbox/

Or when you don't feel like doing all that put the camera on Intelligent Auto and try to compose better shots. You'll learn along the way and still get great shots. The IA can help teach you what you want and don't want from the camera.






May 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM
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p.2 #14 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Are you really that serious about an "unflat" sensor? I seriously doubt that Sony, one of the premier sensor manufacturers, would put warped sensors in their cameras.
Sounds like common lens issues.



May 14, 2013 at 12:53 PM
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p.2 #15 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Yes. I am serious. To clarify - the alignment between the mount and the sensor is what is actually being checked to be flat or inline. I've tested it in Imatest with different lenses that are known to be good. The sensors were visually inspected to be clean. It's a well documented fact that there are variances in manufacturing and assembly for cameras and lenses. This shouldn't be surprising at all.



May 14, 2013 at 03:20 PM
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p.2 #16 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


But don't take my word for it. Take the experts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7333489584/variation-facts-and-fallacies




May 14, 2013 at 03:22 PM
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p.2 #17 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Wow. Very interesting reading... "The expert" indeed!!! I already had a lot of respect for Roger, but it just went up a couple more notches.


May 14, 2013 at 06:59 PM
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p.2 #18 · Mirror-less System Recommendations


Ok, alignment of the camera chassis itself is one thing, and I can totally see how that would be a real problem.
I thought you were talking about a concave sensor or something.



May 16, 2013 at 07:54 AM
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