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p.2 #1 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Mr Joe wrote:
I've been using Enfuse in PTGui to blend clouds and it works pretty well.


Yes, it works surprisingly well! It leaves a rather flat image, but that can be easily tweaked in Lightroom afterward with a touch of clarity or contrast. I love it for interiors where you want a fairly flat image anyway and true to the natural colors of the walls. For more dynamic outdoor scenes where I want more punch I'll fuse them with SNS HDR or occasionally Photomatix before stitching with PTGui.

As a side note: the Panoneed robotic head saves out .xml positioning files that load well into PTGui. I have the Panoneed trigger the Promote Control, and the Promote Control shoots the brackets for me. When I plug the Panoneed touch controller into the computer it saves out two .xml files for each panorama: one with all the images of the brackets, and one with a single image from each bracket. This is great because then I can choose later whether I want to load all the images into PTGui and do my blending there, or blend outside of PTGui and just bring in one photo for each bracketed set. Either way I just choose the .xml file that has the correct number of images.



May 03, 2013 at 12:33 PM
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p.2 #2 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


I've had good luck with PTGui's exposure fusion, but recently shot a 360 interior where I just wasn't getting good results. Surprisingly, I got really great natural looking transitions in Photomatix. And I'm not a grungey halo loving HDR guy.

In some other recent experiments, I found the Photomatix anti-ghosting to work much better on trees than Photoshop or PTGui's exposure Fusion.

I haven't tried SNS HDR.

How much computer horsepower are you using the process the big Gigapans? A 5 shot bracket in an 8 shot pano works OK on my i7 Mac with 16GB of RAM, but I think I'd need a faster machine for the level of resolution you're shooting.



May 03, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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p.2 #3 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


I'm not doing many over 500 megapixels, so I've only done a few that are technically gigapans. For the large ones I go back and forth between PTGui and AutoPano Giga. I often do my blending in Photoshop for those. I had been doing them on a 1st gen Core i7 with 8GB of RAM and that just wasn't cutting it! This spring I upgraded to an Ivy Core Xeon with 32GB RAM. I also upgraded my older Intel X25-M 80GB SSDs to Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSDs, both in RAID 0 arrays. Dramatic performance jump. Most things will render fine with 32GB of RAM, but it's still a bottleneck on the big stuff. I'm waiting on Intel to refresh their dual socket chipsets with USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, and QuickSync before I invest in dual CPUs and 256GB of RAM or so. I suspect Apple is impatient too because their Mac Pro has not been updated in years either. I mostly run Windows so I can choose my own hardware and build my own workstations. My biggest problem now is storage space. I can't back things up to single 3TB hard drives anymore for offsite backups, and I need to go to external RAID arrays this summer if enough projects come in to pay for it. None of this stuff is cheap! And people wonder why photos aren't free? :-P


May 03, 2013 at 01:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


sjms wrote:
you must be dedicated at 2000 euros as an intro price.



Yes. But you get a device for which you need to pay much more somewhere else.
I assisted the developer as a pro-photographer testing the head under
hard commercial aspects over two years and tested Dr. Clauss Rodeon heads, Seitz VR2 - both the most relevant heads on the market.

Iīm photographing and post-processing tours of mixed 700mpx and 4Gix - like this ones:
http://360impressions.de/KBogen413/
http://360impressions.de/WandelHalle/
http://360impressions.de/MKP_TOUR/

This head is exactly what i always wanted.

Iīm working on a translation to English of THIS site iīm creating (under construction yet)
http://klausesser.de/Panoneed/

best, Klaus

PS - i forgot:

45 shots using a 35mm@20% overlap.
200shots using a 85mm@20% overlap.

about 3 Min. for 45 shots = 700mpx
about 12 Min. for 200 shots = 3,5 to 4 GPx

http://www.typeandcolour.de/pdf/Manual_Panoneed_EN.pdf



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May 22, 2013 at 08:22 AM
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p.2 #5 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


like I said you must be dedicated. If I were in your position and it was my specialty would give this serious thought. I actually will have potential use for it in my work but I would probably be looking at a rental option as it would not be a full time venture. it would be an interesting tool to work with.


May 22, 2013 at 09:01 AM
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p.2 #6 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:
I suspect Apple is impatient too because their Mac Pro has not been updated in years either.



Hi Aaron!

Rumor goes that Apple will launch a new MacPro this summer guess after the WWDC.
Weīll see - alternatively a PC for hardcore stuff is ok . .

But delicate work i nevertheless prefer to do on my MacPro.

best to you and greetings from Josef,
Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 09:03 AM
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p.2 #7 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Hey Josef!

Good to meet you again in another forum. Someday I'd love a MacBook Pro for working in the field. Their IPS retina screens are great!



May 22, 2013 at 09:14 AM
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p.2 #8 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:
Hey Josef!

Good to meet you again in another forum. Someday I'd love a MacBook Pro for working in the field. Their IPS retina screens are great!



Itīs Klaus! I had Josef on the phone. But i will give him the URL to this forum.

Guess he should also be a bit active in forums.

best, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 09:18 AM
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p.2 #9 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Ah, my apologies! I'm writing too many things at once on too many pages and switched names around. Of course I meant you Klaus! I gotta take a break and find some breakfast!


May 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM
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p.2 #10 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:
I gotta take a break and find some breakfast!



A fast break so to speak . .

How do you like that one: http://www.360impressions.de/Klapheck/

best to you, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM
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p.2 #11 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Nicely done! Perfect exposure and nice, crisp lines with good stitching. What focal length did you use and on what sensor? Feels like 35mm to 50mm range?


May 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM
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p.2 #12 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:
Nicely done! Perfect exposure and nice, crisp lines with good stitching. What focal length did you use and on what sensor? Feels like 35mm to 50mm range?



Thx! Was a 35mm Nikon-prime lens on my 5D2.

Used it also here: http://360impressions.de/MKP_Tour - and a 85mm for the Paintingīs detail
(click the green dot)

best, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM
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p.2 #13 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


These are my most recent ones, mostly taken with a Nikon 14-24mm @ 24mm on a D700, but a couple at 14mm:

http://www.aaronpriestphoto.com/category/spherical/



May 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM
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p.2 #14 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Aaron - Have you thought about using a D800 for the same resolution in less shots?


May 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM
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p.2 #15 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Mr Joe wrote:
Aaron - Have you thought about using a D800 for the same resolution in less shots?


Oh, yes! And so has my bank account... I bought a Panoneed and RRS tripod instead of upgrading my camera this year.



May 22, 2013 at 01:19 PM
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p.2 #16 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:
These are my most recent ones, mostly taken with a Nikon 14-24mm @ 24mm on a D700, but a couple at 14mm:

http://www.aaronpriestphoto.com/category/spherical/



I like "Pine Tree Forest"! very subtle mood!

best, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 02:00 PM
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p.2 #17 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


Mr Joe wrote:
Aaron - Have you thought about using a D800 for the same resolution in less shots?



The saved time isnīt THAT much related to the costs. The 5D2 is a great workhorse.
But my next camera definitely will be a Nikon in the class of a D800īs following model - i have 12 manual Nikon-lenses and use them on the 5D2 . . .
Theyīre excellent!

best, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 02:08 PM
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p.2 #18 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


I've been eyeing a D800E for quite some time, some for the video mode, some for the resolution and sharpness, and some for the f/8 autofocus. I'd keep my D700 and vertical grip for handheld HDR though to keep the 8fps. However, that being said, you can still take more photos per MINUTE with the D800 because it's buffer is bigger. For me it comes down to costs. I'd have to get a larger memory card, more storage space on my computer, a different vertical grip and more batteries, plus another L bracket. It adds up. This year I upgraded my computer instead and bought a Panoneed.


May 22, 2013 at 02:32 PM
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p.2 #19 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


aaronpriest wrote:

you can still take more photos per MINUTE with the D800 because it's buffer is bigger.


Well - you definitely need less shots using a D800.
Or you do the same amount of shots but have a lot more resolution/zoom factor.

I guess you can compare the resolution you now get fom a 20mm rect. to a resolution you get then from a 16mm fisheye (thatīs only guessed - but it should go this direction.)

Of course you need fewer shots using the fisheye - so you indeed save time when you shoot.

But i guess werīre not really in the quick-shooting business . .

best, Klaus



May 22, 2013 at 03:21 PM
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p.2 #20 · Panoneed Motorized Panoramic Head - German Engineering


I was referring more to my handheld HDR shots than panoramas, in which case you are definitely correct!


May 22, 2013 at 03:24 PM
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