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Archive 2013 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

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AGeoJO wrote:
Yes, the noise is definitely more noticeable but I am still impressed with the sharpness of the Canon file, which is partly attributed to the sharpness of the 24mm TS/E. No doubt! Indeed, a little NR and voila!

"Partly"? I would say completely.

And yes, you can apply NR to the Canon (though I think you will need more than "a little" to make it look as clean as the D800). But remember, noise reduction will soften the Canon image. Further, the D800 image will respond to sharpening (and most other post processing) better because it has less noise and more pixels to work with. So my gut feeling is that in a scene like this, for moderate print sizes you could process either image to look pretty similar to the other.

So the question boils down to is it more important to have a better sensor or a better lens? In this instance it looks like a wash. (But in general I like having the better lens

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Mar 25, 2013 at 01:33 PM

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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

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I am sure that some who claim that they do not need the advantages of the newer sensor will be the first in line to get a new high MP/improved DR camera when Canon will announce it at some point.

As I mentioned above, the increased MP or resolution is a nice feature to get/have. I don't care for the DR, if it gets wider in the next generation of Canon sensors, then great and I would not turn it down, of course, but I am perfectly happy with the DR in the existing Canon sensor. Again, there is no doubt that I would buy a new 48MP 5D Mark IV in 2014 or whatever it will be called and whenever Canon is ready to introduce that camera.

Mar 25, 2013 at 01:36 PM

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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

Sneakyracer wrote:
Here are some 100% crops. All images are jpg conversions from the RAW files using Lightroom without any adjustments. Here the resolution improvement on the Nikon is very obvious! As you zoom back from 100% its not that big a diff. obviously.

That D800E + Zeiss 15mm is almost unbeatable, everything is so much better with the combination. Ok it is the Zeiss lens that makes the difference. I wonder if Canon 5D3 has the ability to produce similar or close result if it use similar Zeiss 15mm?

Mar 25, 2013 at 02:00 PM

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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

I could see purple fringing on the crop of Canon 14II but none on Nikon 14-24. However, the crop of Canon 24TSEII has no purple fringing while Nikon 24PC shows purple fringing. Nikon 14-24 > Canon 14II and Canon 24TSEII > Nikon 24PC. Did I see it correctly?

Mar 25, 2013 at 07:08 PM

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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

Hi!

I did some 20x30 prints and applied some noise reduction to the shadow areas that showed blotchiness (in the night shot) in the sky of the Canon file and it fixed the issue and the prints looked great.

I then did some 40x60in enlargements and printed a crop of that image on a 20x30 and of course the Nikon's extra resolution was VERY apparent.

But honestly for up to 20x30in prints overall its not really worth the upgrade in res. But, if you start cropping images and enlarging the difference is noticeable.

I do want to make 60in wide prints and that is why I started looking at the D800E because the Canon 5D3 files were not good enough for that in critical work. I think the Nikon is close to being capable of producing files good for those print sizes.

Can't really wait for Canon to produce a DSLR with more resolution so I am looking at other options. Its mainly for that specific project, I am still gonna be using my Canon kit for most everything else.

I am getting a 645D and testing it out in about a week.

Regarding the Lenses the overall impression was that once the fringing is corrected and the auto lens profile corrections applied for all (one click in LR) the 14L II is better than the 14-24 Nikon across the whole frame.

Mar 26, 2013 at 07:03 AM

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AGeoJO wrote:
As I mentioned above, the increased MP or resolution is a nice feature to get/have. I don't care for the DR, if it gets wider in the next generation of Canon sensors, then great and I would not turn it down, of course, but I am perfectly happy with the DR in the existing Canon sensor. Again, there is no doubt that I would buy a new 48MP 5D Mark IV in 2014 or whatever it will be called and whenever Canon is ready to introduce that camera.

Large DR are very useful if you know to handle it.
banding and noise are not so useful in a contrasty motive
https://picasaweb.google.com/106266083120070292876/5dmk2AndD800DRSunSet

Apr 07, 2013 at 08:22 PM

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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

I want it all. Resolution, dynamic range, quality lenses.

At the moment I give up some of the former for the latter.

Apr 07, 2013 at 08:26 PM

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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

I tested 6D against d800 to se how 6D handle shadow noise, first, the 6D has less banding than 5dmk2 5dmk3 but the read out noise is still high which can been seen in lower levels where 6D not can reproduce details as d800, added also d800 and 1dx at 25000iso , the 800 file size downsized to 1dx, looks not bad in comparison . Both cameras exposed the same regarding time/f-stop and base iso and then the same handling in CR and PS .
https://picasaweb.google.com/106266083120070292876/NoiseInShadowsD800AndCanon6D

May 07, 2013 at 02:44 PM

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p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

macrobild aka Mikael Risedal,

I guess you got tired/bored of trolling on the DPReview Canon forum and having your threads locked and deleted, so now you have decided to troll on FM.

macrobild wrote:
I tested 6D against d800 to se how 6D handle shadow noise, first, the 6D has less banding than 5dmk2 5dmk3 but the read out noise is still high which can been seen in lower levels where 6D not can reproduce details as d800, added also d800 and 1dx at 25000iso , the 800 file size downsized to 1dx, looks not bad in comparison . Both cameras exposed the same regarding time/f-stop and base iso and then the same handling in CR and PS .
https://picasaweb.google.com/106266083120070292876/NoiseInShadowsD800AndCanon6D

May 07, 2013 at 03:56 PM

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p.4 #10 · p.4 #10 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

troll?
you can have my raw whenever you want to check by your self , some facts are not popular among Canon fanboys, like banding issue and high read out noise from Canon, as long you and other handle your cameras as a compact regarding DR there are no problems, but when you will extract some more informations from a contrasty motive you/ I have problems who are using Canons sensors with 12 times higher read out noise than Nikon.
Troll? no but unpleasant facts for some of you who not can discuss the issue with out trowing garbage around.
And here more than I are discussing the benefits of large DR, it is pure physics
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May 07, 2013 at 04:18 PM

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p.4 #11 · p.4 #11 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

macrobild wrote:
Large DR are very useful if you know to handle it.
banding and noise are not so useful in a contrasty motive
https://picasaweb.google.com/106266083120070292876/5dmk2AndD800DRSunSet

I thought you revive an old thread by letting us know something new we didn't know before

. Maybe not quite trolling like suggested here but it is like beating a dead horse.....

super35 wrote:
macrobild aka Mikael Risedal,

I guess you got tired/bored of trolling on the DPReview Canon forum and having your threads locked and deleted, so now you have decided to troll on FM.

May 07, 2013 at 05:08 PM

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macrobild wrote:
And here more than I are discussing the benefits of large DR, it is pure physics
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Most of us come here to discuss photography, not abstract troll physics...

May 07, 2013 at 06:20 PM

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nikey wrote:
However, the crop of Canon 24TSEII has no purple fringing while Nikon 24PC shows purple fringing. Nikon 14-24 > Canon 14II and Canon 24TSEII > Nikon 24PC.

In this test the Canon 5DIII with TSE 24II easily beats the Nikon D800E with 24 PC-E.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3337603

A better lens makes a far bigger difference than more pixels, even if the pixels have less noise.
The author of this test prefers the IQ of the 17 TSE to that of the 24 TSE II as well. The 17 TSE isn't quite as wide as the 14-15mm lenses, but its a very small stitch to get the 17mm TSE to that angle of view.
Mike K

May 07, 2013 at 07:24 PM

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p.4 #14 · p.4 #14 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

macrobild wrote:
troll?
you can have my raw whenever you want to check by your self , some facts are not popular among Canon fanboys
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Likewise the Nikon cheerleaders..
Poor low contrast AF target performance..poor AF QC in general..poor build quality control...the weight of the current range of super tele lenses..i could go on..
So please if your going to throw stones remove yourself from the glass kingdom first..

May 07, 2013 at 08:03 PM

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p.4 #15 · p.4 #15 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

Who did not see that this might end badly?

May 07, 2013 at 08:39 PM

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p.4 #16 · p.4 #16 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

ujuj
even with a canon 24 there are not much to reproduce from the lower levels when they are flooded with noise and banding, sorry I didn't know that you all knows about the high read out noise and banding from the Canon and that 6d has little bit less banding like 1dx compared to 5dmk3.

May 07, 2013 at 09:34 PM

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p.4 #17 · p.4 #17 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

My take after using the 5D3 w/ 24 TSE II and the D800E w/ 24mm PC-E is that the Nikon sensor is so much better in shadow DR and resolution that it would take a REALLY bad lens to bring down the resolution of the Nikon to Canon levels. I made this conclusion not just from pixel peeping looking at the monitor but from prints I had made. I made about 10 20x30's. Id say that at that size and above the Nikon pulls away. At smaller print sizes the resolution difference is not that noticeable or lets say relevant. The shadow cleanliness is though. Specially when making large adjustments during pos-production. But even so the 5D3 w/ 24 TSE II can be used to produce stunning 20x30 prints.

May 09, 2013 at 07:24 AM

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p.4 #18 · p.4 #18 · Testing D800e and 5D3 with the Best Wide Angles

Let me know when Nikon comes out with a Canon EF mount.

May 09, 2013 at 08:54 AM

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