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p.2 #1 · How do you test your lenses?


StanOPhoto wrote:
I can care less how brick walls and printed crosshair sheets look.


I think a lot of responses to these kind of questions boil down to the above, and I think it's kind of insulting to the OP.

Do you honestly believe he cares how brick walls and test sheets look? Or do you think, maybe, that brick walls and test sheets can help quickly and reliably expose flaws in a lens that might otherwise get overlooked initially, especially by a non-pro who might not be as in tune with their gear?

I agree that it's important to just go out and shoot. But the last big, used lens purchase I made, I printed out a test chart and shot a few frames. Why? Because "shoot real subjects" is great - but real subjects don't always encompass all aspects of a lens all the time. Isn't it better to be able to put your finger on exactly what is wrong, then have a nagging small issue that you may not be able to quantify?

I get that a pro is going to shoot a few thousand frames very quickly, and is going to have an immediate and meaningful frame of reference for comparing their past work, but not everyone is a pro and subjects vary. My first 500 frames with my new lens were almost entirely small birds in the center of the lens. I could call that good, because they looked good. What if my next 100 frames filled the viewfinder and the left side was out of whack? What if something was only slightly out of whack and I had to doubt whether I caused a problem?

People shouldn't fill their lives with test charts and brick walls. There's no need to measure every characteristic of a lens outside of, "does it work for me?" But testing has its place.



Mar 27, 2013 at 05:26 AM
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p.2 #2 · How do you test your lenses?


I buy many used manual lenses, most of them are not designed to work with a DSLR camera, or even not designed for use with a 24x36mm imaging device. Some lenses from industry applications and such stuff.
And I have > 100 manual lenses for 24x36mm photography.

When I am more interested in a lens I make some "test" images, to see sharpness, bokeh, vignetting. Very simple ones, most times some of my lenses (some focused on, and some in background) or a book. Or the very uneven illuminated wall for vignetting - I donīt care for vignetting of 1 stop or such.
These are very rough tests.

I do this a bit at work at a camera manufacturer.
And I had the opportunitiy to get a job at a lens manufacturers testing lab with big MTF bench.
But in my spare time I donīt want to spend my time with boring lens testing.



Mar 28, 2013 at 03:03 AM
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p.2 #3 · How do you test your lenses?


binary visions wrote:
I think a lot of responses to these kind of questions boil down to the above, and I think it's kind of insulting to the OP.

Do you honestly believe he cares how brick walls and test sheets look? Or do you think, maybe, that brick walls and test sheets can help quickly and reliably expose flaws in a lens that might otherwise get overlooked initially, especially by a non-pro who might not be as in tune with their gear?

I agree that it's important to just go out and shoot. But the last big, used lens purchase I made, I
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I don't think it's insulting to the OP.

After all, the OP asked us how we test our lenses. Many/most of us said "we don't." The OP actually wasn't referring, necessarily, to brick walls/test charts, since the OP shoots a familiar scene.

But none of that matters. Many of us simply don't go out to test our new lenses. We go out and use them. And until something seems wrong we keep using them. I think many/most of us run on the assumption that, more or less, lenses work. Lemons are rare. If we don't notice a problem there probably isn't a problem.

Sure, there are folks in this thread who lament today's QC (though I don't think they back those claims up statistically... notably the poster a few back who says that but then says he's never gotten a dud...huh?), but I think they're just falling into the classic, "Back in the day, TK was better" trope-canard. Yeah, washing machines don't last like they used to (see: consumer reports); lenses I think are built better today, with higher QC, than ever before.

And I don't think I agree (as a pro) with your assessment of pro vs amateur checking/use. The big difference isn't that we're more developed of eye, or we see problems quicker-- it's that we don't really care about optical perfection in that sense. That's a generalization, but I think it's true. Amateurs are far more likely to be concerned with getting a "great copy" than a pro, more concerned with perfect sharpness/evenness across the frame, and more likely to see a problem. To most pros the camera/lens is just a dumb tool that allows US to visualize and make a scene. It just needs to be good enough to let us do the real work.

Oh well, I guess it's a dead horse we be a'beaten.



Mar 28, 2013 at 03:23 AM
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p.2 #4 · How do you test your lenses?


We're not really very far apart on this issue - I agree that lemons are rare, and that perfection is overrated. For me, it's more an issue of expediently discovering a problem while an item is still in a return period or within a reasonable time where I can discuss with the seller. For someone who shoots a lot every day, it's easy. For someone like myself whose time is principally confined to weekends, vacations or the occasional luxuriant morning where I go into work late, it might take me a month before a problem rears its ugly head.

Really, my primary issue with this is only that so many people leap at the throats of those who want help testing or suggest that testing is important by saying "JUST USE IT." There's a middle ground, and it's somewhere in between rabidly shooting five hundred frames of a brick wall at varying focal lengths and apertures, and turning your nose up at any hint of testing that doesn't reside firmly in real world use. There's nothing really wrong with synthetic testing as long as the tester understands its limitations and downsides.

'tis beaten, well and truly, but as long as we beat in a reasonable and articulate manner, I don't see the harm.



Mar 28, 2013 at 02:41 PM
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p.2 #5 · How do you test your lenses?


I shoot first and eyeball the shots, had a few duds that that went back to retailers. Only since the Mk3's did MA seem really necessary on all my lens.


Mar 28, 2013 at 02:56 PM
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p.2 #6 · How do you test your lenses?


by depressing the shutter button while pointing the camera at something, most of the time with the lens cover removed


Mar 28, 2013 at 03:03 PM
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p.2 #7 · How do you test your lenses?


binary visions wrote:
We're not really very far apart on this issue - I agree that lemons are rare, and that perfection is overrated. For me, it's more an issue of expediently discovering a problem while an item is still in a return period or within a reasonable time where I can discuss with the seller. For someone who shoots a lot every day, it's easy. For someone like myself whose time is principally confined to weekends, vacations or the occasional luxuriant morning where I go into work late, it might take me a month before a problem rears its ugly head.

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Exactly my points - I too get time mostly on weekends as I have other things to do during the week. And it makes sense to do some quick tests to ensure that you are covered. This is especially true if you are buying an used lens. Thank you all for your thoughts/suggestions.



Mar 28, 2013 at 03:49 PM
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p.2 #8 · How do you test your lenses?


justruss wrote:
Sure, there are folks in this thread who lament today's QC (though I don't think they back those claims up statistically... notably the poster a few back who says that but then says he's never gotten a dud...huh?),



No doubt you're referring to me...huh?.

It's true that I have never bought a dud Nikon lens or camera, however, many people seem to have had issues with Nikon QC in recent years. Therefore, I feel it prudent to at least do a quick test on any new camera or lens I buy. I'm only talking about Nikon here, not washing machines. I don't believe that all Nikon lenses are necessarily built better today either - some are, some aren't. I remember in the early eighties when Nikon released their line of budget lenses, the "E" series. Compared to the consumer kit lenses of today they're markedly superior in build quality. Anyway, that's another issue.




Mar 28, 2013 at 10:43 PM
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