rodmcwha wrote:
I have to jump in, here. The bitchin' and moanin' is just getting to be too much!
Over the last 5 years, Nikon has given us a whole series of, "the best cameras in the history of photography", along with a slew of lenses worthy of those cameras. If they hadn't brought out anything this year, they still would have been competitive in the market, but, probably to try and placate a forum full of snivelers, they pushed too fast to recover from the tsunami.
problem is that they are on to something, but not finish it.
Companies recently learned that customers will eat their half assed products and always buy new ones to get them fixed. P&S and all this mirror-less craziness is nothing then half finished aggressively marketed projects vomited on the newbie customers. This is all fine (fools and their moneys...) but they bringing this game now to pro market as well. Mainly because they are not fed by pros (they get more moneys from those newbies) and because it is way more complicated to make the pros happy as they (naturally) are less likely to accept bullsh1t and their knowledge and requirements are way higher.
So i will vote with my moneys. D700 will be forever good, same as F6 is forever good. People will not need A0 prints more often then A4 prints in the future, and for all serious stuff there are always medium format guys who actually still give a duck.
Jim8EL wrote:
There is, in fact, a considerable down side to being a public company. That is, that there is tremendous pressure on CEO's and the rest of executive management to perform in the short term. This leads to decisions that often sacrifice long term corporate needs for short term profits, and logically, stock performance. Large investors may or may not be in for the long haul but they want the stock to rise in every quarter. This pressure can create an environment where product is pushed out the door before it is ready, warranty terms become stricter, and overall cost cutting becomes the current "mission". Obviously, the complexities behind the hows and whys of corporate decision making is beyond the scope of this forum, but it should suffice to say that the issues Nikon is experiencing right now can not be condensed into a simple; "its because they're greedy" or "they don't care about their customers any more" one liner.
Balancing the needs of a company's source of capital with those of customers and employees is almost never easy, but is sometimes impossible. Hopefully, Nikon will sort it out over the next year or so. In the mean time, they have brought out some exciting products not all of which have problems.
Yup. Kinda what we're seeing with Apple. They are pressured into building products that Steve Jobs vehemently said NO. With him dead, we now see the ipad mini (which sold well btw), a larger iphone and I heard plastic iphones are coming out too. What blesphemious heinous acts. Jobs would go Siri mad if he was around.
All this in an effort to stem market erosion and stop the stock price dive.
It will be interesting to see how Nikon will recover from all these. Will there clean house and revamp their QC and Customer Service?
Or will they continue to pump out more products with questionable quality for revenue?
Professionals (and enthusiasts also) who pay in excess of $3000 for a camera body that is deficient "bitch" and "moan"? And are a bunch of "snivelers" also? I've read a number of posts from Nikon apologists but this one is beyond the pale
ariel777 wrote:
Professionals (and enthusiasts also) who pay in excess of $3000 for a camera body that is deficient "bitch" and "moan"? And are a bunch of "snivelers" also? I've read a number of posts from Nikon apologists but this one is beyond the pale
It can be cathartic for those upset to vent. The same happened with Canon when their flagship sport camera had focus problems. "Beyond the pale" is a by-product of venting/ranting.
ariel777 wrote:
Professionals (and enthusiasts also) who pay in excess of $3000 for a camera body that is deficient "bitch" and "moan"? And are a bunch of "snivelers" also? I've read a number of posts from Nikon apologists but this one is beyond the pale
Someone who purchases a $3000.00 body also should know how to clean a sensor too, don't you think?
The apologists you refer to are, I think, simply tired of reading hysterical one-liners about what a lousy company Nikon has become. It's counter productive. It's also why companies pay little attention to forums like this, which should be the voice of consumers.
The "apologists" are just trying to bring some reason to a discussion by balancing the equation a bit. Unfortunately, responses that call someone a whiner or sniveler, whether true of not, adds no more to the discussion than does yours.
Jim8EL wrote:
Someone who purchases a $3000.00 body also should know how to clean a sensor too, don't you think?
The apologists you refer to are, I think, simply tired of reading hysterical one-liners about what a lousy company Nikon has become. It's counter productive. It's also why companies pay little attention to forums like this, which should be the voice of consumers.
The "apologists" are just trying to bring some reason to a discussion by balancing the equation a bit. Unfortunately, responses that call someone a whiner or sniveler, whether true of not, adds no more to the discussion than does yours.
Actually, they want perfection. I don't get that out of a $60K car. MPG is is a joke, I just need a thread to vent.
Tim Ashton wrote:
yeah?? I seem to recall you posting some shots from a childrens birthday party with the 28 f/1.8 that were amazing, or have I got the wrong Liv??
Tim
Never owned that lens so I think you have the wrong person.
ariel777 wrote:
Professionals (and enthusiasts also) who pay in excess of $3000 for a camera body that is deficient "bitch" and "moan"? And are a bunch of "snivelers" also? I've read a number of posts from Nikon apologists but this one is beyond the pale
Ha, this is why I don't read Dpreview anymore. The brand apology is endless there.
must be tough for you guys having to replace your gear every two years or so, i thought i was an over spending early adopter waiting 8 months after the d700 came out to pick one up. and i dont even pay list price. if it aint broke...
i do not replace it because i have to, i replace it because i feel more comfortable on expensive shoots with gear which is in good condition. You do not want to see how my cameras look like after year of almost daily shooting
Today UPS delivered a new 24-70G lens ordered from B&H three days ago. To my surprise, every focus length requires different AF fine tune value to obtain optimal focusing results. I am really impressed by Nikon's QC performance.
I had been waiting for the fabled D 400, but after all the problems expressed by posters about the new cameras ( D800, D 600 )< I decided to not reward Nikon with my money and bought a used Nikon D 300s from Keh Camera. I've had it about 3 weeks and am very happy with it. It sure has a lot more to offer than the D 80 I was using. The D 300s looks almost new, but had almost 67,000 actuations on it when I got it. I'll probably will only put on 12-15,000 more in the next 6 or 8 years. I would have preferred a refurb, but they are hard to find.
camera came back, after short test the AF issue seems to be fixed, the problem with the changing settings however not.
For the first time, camera also wasn't cleaned as it before always was when i sent it to the service. Also came with still the old firmware and many settings changed.
Hm
