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p.2 #1 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


Wonderful take. Beautiful comp.


Nov 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM
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p.2 #2 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


Thanks Mitchell and Allan.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Kee



Nov 22, 2012 at 01:43 PM
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p.2 #3 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


Yea, that works too! (Just whacking off the offending V thingy.)

You've got me salivating about my Az -> So. Cal trip next week. I was going to try Joshua, but now think I'll spend a few days in Death Valley instead. The place has a real draw; not as intense as the Escalante area, but close.



Nov 22, 2012 at 06:37 PM
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I guess you could scramble up the north ridge of Manley, but unless there's already a big ugly trail, I'd strongly discourage doing so. (And even then....) The mudstone scars so easily, the last thing the area needs is another 'cow trail.' Gower Gulch and Golden Canyon serve up plenty of fun (up one, down the other) - there's no need to tear up the scenery.


Nov 22, 2012 at 06:45 PM
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Greg Campbell wrote:
You've got me salivating about my Az -> So. Cal trip next week. I was going to try Joshua, but now think I'll spend a few days in Death Valley instead. The place has a real draw; not as intense as the Escalante area, but close.


Having shot both (like you?), they both have their appeal, for sure. Escalante has the slots, the wild and colorful rock formations, vegetation (!), water (!), and giant cliffs. Cool stuff. I've sure been enjoying it - spent more than a month of my life in that part of the world this year.

Death Valley has a beautiful desolation, a sort of loneliness that we rarely get to experience. It is a huge place, with much more to offer than the well-known places. (Sort of like Escalante and surroundings in that way, I suppose.) I've found a more raw edge, which is a certain kind of intensity, in DEVA, too. While I could spend a month in Escalante and Utah, I think I'd go crazy trying to shoot for that long in DEVA. I go there every year, but for a week at a time.

Take care,

Dan



Nov 22, 2012 at 06:52 PM
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p.2 #6 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


Jeffrey wrote:
Good, Kee. I hope you are not actually limiting your crops to predefined sizes, but rather simply moving the top down to the place it looks best, and not worrying what the actual dimension or aspect ratio is.


There is a place for that, especially with subjects that just plain don't fit "normal" aspect ratios. However, there are also some fine reasons for preferring certain aspect ratios. I'm certainly not saying that any one is more right than any others, but some folks learn to "see" in the context of a favored ratio. (My preference - and your mileage may vary - is for the 4:3 ratio, though I'll sometimes do 4:5 or 2:1 and occasionally do others.)

There is another practical reason as well. When you mount and frame work, it is a whole lot simpler - as long as this works for your aesthetic, and it does for mine - to generally stick to a favored ratio. This can reduce your costs for mounting/framing materials, and it can often help your work be more cohesive when you hang groups of prints, say in a show or a sale. It also lets you reuse frames and mat boards and window mats for similar purposes. (And, no, I don't sell work in re-used frame/mount, but I'll display it that way.)

There aren't any hard and fast rules about these things, but lots of folks might agree with me that you shouldn't be too quick to dismiss some standardization of presentation.

I'm not a big fan of the "v-convergence" at the lower edge of the frame. I'm not sure I can quite articulate a reason for this, though the bottom of a v "points" the eye toward something... and that something isn't present here. I think I prefer the crops that include some of the area below the "v."

This is, of course, a scene that we all have photographed many times. Good to see that you went on a day when the conditions were a bit special, with the clouds over the Panamint Range. This situation has the potential for very special light - but it also has the potential to completely skunk you if the clouds extend behind to the east... and end up blocking the light at the wrong moments! Instead, you have a nice mixture of clouds above the Panamints, a line of light across the front of the range, and then cloud shadow lower down.

The foreground ridge to the left of and just beyond Gower Wash is often problematic. The surface facing the sun is light colored and angles almost directly towards sunrise - it is bright! However, the material higher on this ridge is darker and, as in your photograph, often ends up in shadow, creating a sort of local dynamic range challenge. It is easy to lose detail in this shadow area, and it often helps to perhaps use a localized curve or similar technique to slight bring up the detail there. In your shot, you could also consider a bit of lightening of the foreground area down closer to the wash, especially those spots near the tops of these shadowed ridges (there is a good example on the right edge) where there is a bit of a glow from the muted sun - you could consider emphasizing this a bit by means of the dodge tool or, perhaps better, a localized curve adjustment.

Take care,

Dan

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Nov 22, 2012 at 06:58 PM
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p.2 #7 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


That is creative to include the sky, specially the "right" one, in this composition. I think the right amount of it is found in the second image. The others have either to much or to little of it.


Nov 22, 2012 at 08:53 PM
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p.2 #8 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


I love square crops, and I think the last one looks the best... just my 2c's
bruce



Nov 22, 2012 at 09:14 PM
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p.2 #9 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


Fred Miranda wrote:
Beautiful light. I was there a couple days ago. Love the place.
Thanks for sharing!
Fred
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Hummm... I could have met Fred Miranda there at the Death Valley.
It would be nice if we go around with name tags attached!!!



Nov 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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p.2 #10 · Catch of the First Light at Zabriskie in Death Valley


gdanmitchell wrote:
Having shot both (like you?), they both have their appeal, for sure. Escalante has the slots, the wild and colorful rock formations, vegetation (!), water (!), and giant cliffs. Cool stuff. I've sure been enjoying it - spent more than a month of my life in that part of the world this year.

Death Valley has a beautiful desolation, a sort of loneliness that we rarely get to experience. It is a huge place, with much more to offer than the well-known places. (Sort of like Escalante and surroundings in that way, I suppose.) I've found a more raw edge, which
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That sounds about right.

DV's 'big empty' is .... empty. IMO, it's slightly more overwhelming, but not quite as visually interesting. Escalante, OTOH, always has some shape, texture, color, etc. begging for attention.

Agree that a week in DV is about enough... until next year. A week in S. Utah is barely enough time to unpack the camera! Where else can you hike for a few hours to find something as otherworldly as https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/17349991 ? I could live in Escalante or Hanksville and be quite happy for a number of years.

Both have wonderful slot canyons that offer a strikingly intimate contrast to the vast expanse. Again, I'd have to give Utah's smooth red sandstone and greater structural variety the nod over DV's jagged chasms decorated with small sections of polished rock.

At any rate - and to pay lip service to the original thread - I'll be dragging my square Bronica around.
I think everyone should try shooting square once in a while! The entire compositional process - indeed the way you 'see' the environment - is entirely different. Anything that stimulates an alternate view is welcome. While this can be initially confounding, after a while flipping back and forth between square and 2:3 becomes rather fun!



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