nrohrbacker wrote:
After reading many a post on this long and old thread, I believe the winner is the 600.
Your opinion is fine, but I believe that simply reading this thread hardly qualifies anyone to make such a proclamation. What's the need to name a winner? The best lens- the "winner", if you want to call it that- is the one that allows the photographer to get the images he needs.
nrohrbacker wrote:
After reading many a post on this long and old thread, I believe the winner is the 600. The fact remains that the free market has already judged the winner for us. A used 800 can be had for better than 30% off retail. Try to get a used 600 for that discount.
This have to be the most stupid conclusion that I have been reading here A 600 is a winner and a better lens because the second hand price is higher. Then a 50/1,0 must be even better for birds because it's second hand price compared to it's retail is very high
I was merely replying to the thread topic, though the topic has gone astray. Yes, there is no such thing as a "winner" here, we all know that. People banter away on meaningless subjects here every day. All in good fun. Both of these fine lens are amazing in their own right and know one here could tell the difference between 2 pics taken with each. I was merely noting that the price of the 800 has dropped a substantial amount since the 600 II came out (and more than the usual number on the buy/sell board). Take that for whatever its worth, it's just my 2 cents. That and $12,000 will get you either one of these beauties
PetKal wrote:
Well said, Mitesh. Ironically, this whole tedious thread was started by a fellow who didn't have any /much experience with either lens at the time.
Give them a new piece of gear and within a week some folks start selling tutorials on how to use it.
Ironically, this thread was started by one of the best bird in flight photographers in the country and everything he said is true.
B.Keil wrote:
Ironically, this thread was started by one of the best bird in flight photographers in the country and everything he said is true.
Even more ironic is that he started a thread saying the new 600mm lens would pretty much make the 800mm obsolete. And he did that before he even had used the lens
p.7 #11 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
Harry.C wrote:
As you can see from below, the image degradation comparing the 400 to the 600 is much worse than when comparing the 600 to the 800. Hopefully this explains why it is a fallacy to extend the OP's statement to other lenses.
p.7 #12 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
B.Keil wrote:
Ironically, this thread was started by one of the best bird in flight photographers in the country and everything he said is true.
Thanks!
Ironically, this thread is still alive. It seams that the longer it lives the more distorted it gets here at the end of the thread. The truth is I had lots of experience and images made with the 800mm when I started this thread. I did not have the new 600mm yet (do now), but my thread was based on the assumption that the new 600mm image quality would be as good or better than the old 600mm with which I did have lots of experience and images. The assumption turned out to be correct. I still stand by my original comments.
For those of you new to the thread, please read from the begining. I have been misquoted and taken out of context so many times in here that I lost count.
For those of you who would like to find out more about the 600mm and my hand held methods for using it and other super telephoto lenses, please check out my new e-book "Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight". You can find it on Arthur Morris' www.birdsasart.com website or find a link to it on my website.
p.7 #13 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
JimN wrote:
For those of you who would like to find out more about the 600mm and my hand held methods for using it and other super telephoto lenses, please check out my new e-book "Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight". You can find it on Arthur Morris' www.birdsasart.com website or find a link to it on my website.
But I can't handhold a 600mm even if I read your book.
p.7 #14 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
So you don't tell us about your handheld methods Instead we should buy a book from you !! where you tell it.
Now I understand why you started this thread
p.7 #15 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
Lasse Eriksson wrote:
So you don't tell us about your handheld methods Instead we should buy a book from you !! where you tell it.
Now I understand why you started this thread
There are numerous threads here on FM where I discuss my techniques. The same is true for several other internet bird phoography forums. I have been sharing my techniques for free for many years. If you don't want to dig thru all of the bits and pieces on the net, you have the option of attending one of my workshops or purchasing my book. That way you get it in one place presented in a clear logical manor.
p.7 #16 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
Imagemaster wrote:
But I can't handhold a 600mm even if I read your book.
Tony
Tony,
If you can hold your camera and lens up to your eye in shooting position comfortably for 20 seconds or so, then you can learn to use it hand held all of the time. If you can't do 20 secs comfortably, then you either need a lighter rig or you need to use a tripod.
p.7 #17 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
JimN wrote:
Tony,
If you can hold your camera and lens up to your eye in shooting position comfortably for 20 seconds or so, then you can learn to use it hand held all of the time. If you can't do 20 secs comfortably, then you either need a lighter rig or you need to use a tripod.
Jim, I can handhold my wife comfortably for 20 seconds, but not all of the time.
I have a lighter rig without the reach because I hate using a tripod.
p.7 #19 · Canon 600mm F4 IS II vs Canon 800mm F5.6
A very compelling reason to go for the 800mm ( I have used both very successfully ), is that a used 800mm can be had for around $9k. A used 600mm II is still $11k +. New is $12600. The 800mm is just a bit below the 600mm II + 1.4x III in IQ. You really need to pixel peep to see the difference.
A 600 is a winner and a better lens because the second hand price is higher. Then a 50/1,0 must be even better for birds because it's second hand price compared to it's retail is very high
