Jeff
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
|
uz2work wrote:
Finally, I know that Romy started this thread with the intention of moving away from the other discussions in which people either provide praise for or bash the 7D. Instead, I think that he wanted to provide a place where people who have gotten good results could help others who haven't gotten good results to learn things that might help them to get better results. And the thread started out well in doing so. I think that it is unfortunate that the 7D critics who have no real interest in improving their ability to get better results from the 7D have, instead of reaching out for and accepting the help that has been offered, felt a need to do the same bashing of the camera that they had done in the threads from which Romy was trying to move away. The way in which they have been able to shift the purpose of the thread has, in effect, killed the thread.
Les
...Show more →
I don't think there's been much bashing of the 7D in this thread, Les, and I have to disagree with your assignment of blame for the 'killing of the thread'. I think time2climb's tongue-in-cheek summary of the tone of the thread pretty much sums it up:
time2clmb wrote:
So after 16 pages we're all settled and agreed right?
On one side you have people that are either too lazy, don't want to bother, or have not yet bothered to learn how to shoot and expose and properly PP their 7D files. This is the group that does not like the 7D. This group will completely ignore any in your face evidence or advice that has been posted and are ready to nitpick apart photos at the 100% crop level regardless of how good they are at the image level.
On the other side you have the people that are learning to, or have learned to find the sweet spot and process their photos to get sweet photos. These people like the 7d.
There...sound about right?  ...Show more →
The 7D most certainly has its place in Canon's lineup. I wasn't bothered by the 7D's high ISO noise performance, I was bothered by noise performance at base ISO (below 800), which started to affect print quality above 12x18. I've owned the 1Ds, 30D, 40D, 1D3, 5D2 and 5D3, and the 7D was the only camera I've owned that necessitated NR on a routine basis. I'm not length-limited most of the time, and I can understand why the 7D is so good for those of you who are. I can similarly understand why certain shooters are willing to jump through the PP hoops necessary to obtain an adequate file for printing; to clarify, yes, I consider NR a 'hoop' when applied to a low ISO file (as is selective sharpening, which can be hard to pull off well and withstand the scrutiny that a high resolution print often undergoes).
The proof that the 7D file has a rather 'characteristic' look to it is contained in the 18+ pages of capture and PP tips in this thread (and, of course, many of them generally apply to all cameras). Although one person may have refused help, I'm certain there are quite a few silent 7D owners out there who haven't chosen to join the fray, who also don't fit into your condescending '7D critic/basher' category. There is enough anecdotal evidence out there coming from experienced shooters of all sorts to accept that not all of us are enamored with the file quality of the 7D.
Just like politics, religion, and the ongoing Mac vs. PC/Canon vs. Nikon debates, the finger-pointing has become tiresome. The killing of this thread isn't any one group or person's fault; let off the gas a bit, it is just the Internet, after all...
|
