p.3 #1 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote:
...It occurred to me that maybe a place like B&H, who sells white box 24-105s but not the 5Ds that came with those lenses might be offing the cameras under another name.
Interesting...I've wondered that myself when I've seen many 'White Box' kit lenses but never the body w/o lens (at the major retailers like B&H et al.).
p.3 #2 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote:
It occurred to me that maybe a place like B&H, who sells white box 24-105s but not the 5Ds that came with those lenses might be offing the cameras under another name.
Or perhaps they're selling the bodies to those other distributors that land on eBay. This used to happen back in the heady tech days; Dell and another major OEM purchased large quantities of processors from Intel to maximize volume discounts. Sometimes they over-purchased and would dump the processors in volumes to other distributors.
p.3 #3 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
thinkpadfans wrote:
500 bucks is 1/7 of a 3500 camera. I would not call that a few bucks.
I think what matters is really whether it is a US version camera with warranty, which canon would repair if it goes wrong.
If you use the camera for professional use, you should have no problem paying full price from an authorized dealer, as it's a tool that will make you money. It's an investment.
If you're not using the camera to make money, then clearly you're buying it for fun. ANybody that buys a camera worth over $3k for 'fun' should have no issue paying that 1/7th more. And if you do have an issue with it because you're tight on money, then you shouldn't be buying a $3k camera in the first place!
If you have to question wether it's a US camera and/or the seller does not clearly state it is, then you're playing with fire. Buy from an authorized dealer. There's a reason for it.
p.3 #4 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
najibs wrote:
If you use the camera for professional use, you should have no problem paying full price from an authorized dealer, as it's a tool that will make you money. It's an investment.
If you're not using the camera to make money, then clearly you're buying it for fun. ANybody that buys a camera worth over $3k for 'fun' should have no issue paying that 1/7th more. And if you do have an issue with it because you're tight on money, then you shouldn't be buying a $3k camera in the first place!
If you have to question wether it's a US camera and/or the seller does not clearly state it is, then you're playing with fire. Buy from an authorized dealer. There's a reason for it....Show more →
I actually don't see the point here. The fact you are able to pay for a 3K camera does not mean that you should pay more for it. If it comes with same warranty, is same as what BH sells, why would you (even a rich person), want to spend $500, even $700 more on it?
Jul 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM
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p.3 #5 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
@thinkpadfans,
But you already know that it doesn't come with the same warranty as if bought from B&H
p.3 #6 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
@thinkpadfans,
But you already know that it doesn't come with the same warranty as if bought from B&H
I did not purchase from that reseller, I am just opening up conversations. I bought from "onecall" at a much higher price. But I hear people who bought from this merchant say it has same warranty as what you bought from BH.
Everyone here is assuming that the getitdigial's products do not come with Canon warranty. Obviously that is different from what it claims, so someone must be wrong. It is ebay, and if it does not come with Canon warranty (which it claims to have). I bet you can get it delisted by calling ebay since it is fraud.
By the way, BH is getting much worse nowadays. I got my D800e much earlier in a best buy store than my BH preorder. And the 24-70 II preorder (ordered on the first day) still has no news at all. And the return policy is not even as good as Amazon.
p.3 #7 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
omarlyn wrote:
Interesting...I've wondered that myself when I've seen many 'White Box' kit lenses but never the body w/o lens (at the major retailers like B&H et al.).
Omar
I am sure you love BH, but fact is many qualified resellers such as adorama and beach camera are selling gear at a much lower price. If we can find deals, why paying more for the same item? Below is what some other member found here, and I am sure it is a legit firm:
p.3 #9 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
thinkpadfans wrote:
I am sure you love BH, but fact is many qualified resellers such as adorama and beach camera are selling gear at a much lower price. If we can find deals, why paying more for the same item? Below is what some other member found here, and I am sure it is a legit firm:
It's not about loving B&H. They were cited as an example of a retailer recognized to be legitimate. Certainly other legitimate retailers engage in the same practices and others may have lower prices. The price argument does not follow the legitimacy conversation.
It may be fraud on the warranty terms, but I am not sure.
No, it is not fraud on the warranty terms. They are trying to sell you an additional warranty, just as many retailers known to be legitimate do. The buyer can decline the offer and still have the US warranty the cameras comes with as recognized by CanonUSA.
p.3 #11 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
@thinkpadfans,
But you already know that it doesn't come with the same warranty as if bought from B&H
How does he know that? That statement is not consistent with my experience.
By the way, I am not a fanboy of getItDigital. I never heard of them before this experience and bought with extreme caution. The fact is that I got a real USA warranty 5D Mark III at a good price with...here it is again...a real USA warranty, just as if bought from any retailer you choose to name as a recognized Canon USA dealer. At least that's what Canon USA tells me.
Jul 30, 2012 at 05:32 AM
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p.3 #12 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote:
How does he know that? That statement is not consistent with my experience.
By the way, I am not a fanboy of getItDigital. I never heard of them before this experience and bought with extreme caution. The fact is that I got a real USA warranty 5D Mark III at a good price with...here it is again...a real USA warranty, just as if bought from any retailer you choose to name as a recognized Canon USA dealer. At least that's what Canon USA tells me.
To have a 100% legal warranty.
1. You should be authorized from Canon USA.
2. It's not ok (for the warranty) to buy a kit with a body and lens from a real authorized Canon dealer. Open it and take out the body. And sell the body to someone else.
If I buy a kit with body/lens from B&H. And sell the body to another FMer. It doesn't have a warranty. Maybe you can get Canon to fix a problem if you need that. Just like people that buy a second hand lens that are a couple of months. But the warranty only apply for the original buyer
p.3 #13 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
To have a 100% legal warranty.
1. You should be authorized from Canon USA.
2. It's not ok (for the warranty) to buy a kit with a body and lens from a real authorized Canon dealer. Open it and take out the body. And sell the body to someone else.
If I buy a kit with body/lens from B&H. And sell the body to another FMer. It doesn't have a warranty. Maybe you can get Canon to fix a problem if you need that. Just like people that buy a second hand lens that are a couple of months. But the warranty only apply for the original buyer...Show more →
I guess what I've been wondering is if GetItDigital is an ebay name for an original Canon authorized buyer/seller who bought the kit and is selling the components separately. If not, why would Canon USA acknowledge the warranty registration?
Jul 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM
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p.3 #14 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote:
I guess what I've been wondering is if GetItDigital is an ebay name for an original Canon authorized buyer/seller who bought the kit and is selling the components separately. If not, why would Canon USA acknowledge the warranty registration?
Canon will acknowledge any warranty registration if nobody have done it before on that item. But only the original first buyer is allowed to do it if you follow the rules.
Also remember this is the rule and definition on e-bay for selling a NEW item:
A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging.
And the one he is selling is not unopened. He have opened the box and removed the lens from this kit, before selling it again.
Is it really worth breaking the rules and having to worry about this, just to get it maybe $ 200 lower. When it's a $ 3000-3500 camera
p.3 #15 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote:
I guess what I've been wondering is if GetItDigital is an ebay name for an original Canon authorized buyer/seller who bought the kit and is selling the components separately. If not, why would Canon USA acknowledge the warranty registration?
Two things still bother me about this: Perhaps 'GetItDigital' is an Ebay allias for a Canon USA authorized dealer...but if so, who? The other thing that bothers me is there has been no mention of the actual Canon USA warranty card with serial number that has (in the past) always accompanied cameras & lenses (including white box items). Is Canon USA still including the warranty card with serial number with the latest cameras? As to why you were able to register it online, perhaps Canon does not really validate that information online the way that Nikon does. In fact, I know for sure that Canon does not have the same online validation procedure as Nikon so I'd still be a little worried that if the camera were sent into Canon USA for warranty service, they might say it's grey mayket. The 'extra add-on' warranty that was linked to in another reply states that the Canon warranty is 1 year parts & 90 days labor...this is completely false. The true Canon USA warranty is one year for parts AND labor...that might be a typo on their part but puts up yet another red flag to be concerned about.
p.3 #16 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
Canon will acknowledge any warranty registration if nobody have done it before on that item. But only the original first buyer is allowed to do it if you follow the rules.
Also remember this is the rule and definition on e-bay for selling a NEW item:
A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging.
And the one he is selling is not unopened. He have opened the box and removed the lens from this kit, before selling it again.
Is it really worth breaking the rules and having to worry about this, just to get it maybe $ 200 lower. When it's a $ 3000-3500 camera...Show more →
As for ebay rules, the seller will have broken the rules, not I, but it is a matter of semantics in that the camera, manuals and software were all in original, taped inner packaging, clearly unopened and unused. As for Canon rules, if the seller is, as has been suggested, a CanonUSA authorized dealer selling under a pseudonym, then Canon's rules have not been broken.
I saved, actually, $350 but my only real concern is warranty.
That seller is not on the Canon authorized dealer list and they have 39 ...THIRTY NINE! Negative and neutral feedbacks in the last 30 days alone. Over 100 negative feedbacks in six months...YIKES
That's a terrible feedback record. There's no way I would risk getting involved with some thing like that to save a few bucks.
Dave
Jul 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM
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p.3 #18 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
rtallent wrote: It's just ridiculous to claim that the seller could be a Canon USA authorized dealer selling under a pseudonym. He could also be a thief that stole the cameras Or maybe imported them from another country.
When he open the box and sell the camera to another person the Canon rules are broken. Only the original first buyer, that buy the camera from a Canon USA authorized dealer have the warranty.
I don't belive canon would accept that anybody told them their camera have a warranty because they bought from Canon USA authorized dealer selling under a pseudonym
p.3 #19 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
DLP wrote:
That seller is not on the Canon authorized dealer list and they have 39 ...THIRTY NINE! Negative and neutral feedbacks in the last 30 days alone. Over 100 negative feedbacks in six months...YIKES
That's a terrible feedback record. There's no way I would risk getting involved with some thing like that to save a few bucks.
Dave
That seller (Beach Camera) is most definitely an authorized Canon dealer. They're listed under "Beach Trading Co., Inc" on Canon's dealer list. I have bought tons of camera equipment from them and they are one of the best in terms of service. As for 39 negative+neutral feedback in that last 30 days, that's out of 4,403 transactions over the same period, so that feedback represents 0.008% of their transactions, which is incredible considering that eBay's feedback system has a negative bias (those who are unhappy are most likely to post feedback). Please exercise a bit more judgement before glibly denigrating a reseller like this.
FYI, for comparison, Adorama's ebay store has 3,749 transactions over last 30 days with 31 negative+neutral (0.008%) and Adorama is outright awesome IMO.
p.3 #20 · 5D mark III @3k, what is the trick of this seller?
snapsy wrote:
Please exercise a bit more judgement before glibly denigrating a reseller like this.
If the facts are "denigrating" to this seller they could always work to improve their feedback. I'd suggest reading some of those negative comments. When I see multiple complaints about a non-responsive seller that sends a big red flag up. With eBay it also pays to read some of the "positive" comments because there's a lot of negative feedback for that seller with the positive box checked.
I still avoid Beach camera like the plague. I got hosed by them good in the past and I've never forgot it. You can clean it up any way you like but over 100 negative feedbacks in a few months is not a stellar rating.
Far from it and certainly not my idea of "awesome".
The seller on eBay is not selling as Beach Trading company so there is no indication what so ever those transactions fall under the protection of a Canon authorized dealer account. In fact it's highly unlikely they do since Beach Photo is charging $3500 for the MKIII and clearly they are using a different DBA and prices that are too good to be true usually are for a reason.
Or maybe imported them from another country.