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p.7 #1 · 40/2.8 is very good


Arigo wrote:
@Jamesf99: Think I used Lighroom 4.1 for conversion from RAW to JPG, then put everything together in Indesign and exported as JPG. I'll check tonight at home (I'm at the office now).

Yep, it was LR 4.1 and indesign.

FYI:
LR setting:
Sharpen for: Screen - Standard amount

InDesign Export setting:
- Quality: High
- Format: Baseline
- Resolution: 300dpi (Canvas: 300mm x 200mm)
- Colour space: RGB

@Garyvot: My favorite Voigtlander shot (so far) can be found here.



Jun 26, 2012 at 03:11 PM
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p.7 #2 · 40/2.8 is very good


mattbru wrote:
Agreed, probably not noticeably different unless zoomed to 1:1. I think the consensus is that the 40 wins in bokeh quality though.


IMHO none of these lenses has nice bokeh.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jun 26, 2012 at 03:45 PM
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p.7 #3 · 40/2.8 is very good


Yakim Peled wrote:
IMHO none of these lenses has nice bokeh.


well, f/2.8 is kind of slow in comparison to the others, but it should be acceptable.





Jun 26, 2012 at 05:00 PM
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p.7 #4 · 40/2.8 is very good


I have to ask others that have received their lens (I just got mine).

Is it hard to get on/off? I know it's a tiny lens, but this does not feel good. I just called the store and had one of the guys check more lenses. He tried two and said the same thing... not good, not nice, and the tightest mount he's ever felt. The store is calling Canon tomorrow, but I may need to exchange it..

I thought it might be because it's so small, so I grabbed a larger lens and only used two fingers to mount it and it mounted smoothly.

Is Canon QA already taking a nap, are these "automated build" lenses out of tolerance, or will it just wear in?

Anyone get a "smooth as silk" mount?



Jun 26, 2012 at 05:09 PM
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p.7 #5 · 40/2.8 is very good


Mine was also EXTREMELY tight when I first got it. I remember thinking "Hmmm did i screw something up? because this doesn't feel right"

I feel like its not as bad anymore after a few days anymore, perhaps it has loosened or I have gained muscle.

Maybe they just aren't as careful about things in Malaysia as Japan.



Jun 26, 2012 at 05:40 PM
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p.7 #6 · 40/2.8 is very good


i have it on the 5DmkIII - looks stoopid, but the damn thing is sharp. It is tight, but not worrisome tight.

really nice little lens, as sharp as my 50 f/1.4 at f/2,8 or maybe sharper.

hope no one makes fun of my little lens :-)



Jun 26, 2012 at 06:45 PM
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p.7 #7 · 40/2.8 is very good


looks funny,i have it on my 1D4 making it a 52mm equivalent full frame.....so far it is quite an impressive little lens...very very convenient....


Jun 26, 2012 at 08:31 PM
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p.7 #8 · 40/2.8 is very good


Tested quite well on www.photozone.de

among the best edge to edge at f/2.8-f/4



Jun 26, 2012 at 09:43 PM
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p.7 #9 · 40/2.8 is very good


skibum5 wrote:
Tested quite well on www.photozone.de

among the best edge to edge at f/2.8-f/4


Yes, though I find it a bit odd that they devote what seems like half of the review to chastising Canon for not having a mirrorless camera, critiquing the new focusing motor (which apparently works best with the EOS 650D and future cameras), and deeming the notion of a pancake lens on a full size DSLR a ridiculous concept. They also fail to factor the attractive price into any of these discussions. (Oh well, everyone's a critic these days.)

Given that there is a bit of focus shift, that may explain Roger's findings that the lens does not seem to get sharper when stopped down. The Photozone tests show that it does (a bit), but this could be masked by focus shift with flat subjects close up (such as test charts).




Jun 27, 2012 at 12:11 AM
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p.7 #10 · 40/2.8 is very good


jamesf99 wrote:
I have to ask others that have received their lens (I just got mine).

Is it hard to get on/off? I know it's a tiny lens, but this does not feel good. I just called the store and had one of the guys check more lenses. He tried two and said the same thing... not good, not nice, and the tightest mount he's ever felt. The store is calling Canon tomorrow, but I may need to exchange it..

I thought it might be because it's so small, so I grabbed a larger lens and only used two fingers to mount it and
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Mine mounts nicely, like other lenses. Didn't notice anything before I read about it here, and then checked. Yes, it mounts smoothly. Maybe not as silk, but no worries.



Jun 27, 2012 at 01:06 AM
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p.7 #11 · 40/2.8 is very good


garyvot wrote:
Yes, though I find it a bit odd that they devote what seems like half of the review to chastising Canon for not having a mirrorless camera,



I'm surprised you feel that way. i found the review to be worthwhile, albeit extremely short.

Do three sentences (see below) constitute chastisement for what everyone knows is an apparent failure by Canon to understand or care about the market? I think it's honest and more than fair.

"Canon is the only major Japanese camera manufacturer who has been shy of entering the mirrorless market (as of the time of this review). So far their reps always argued that it is possible to design smallish APS-C DSLRs that are also able to compete on the size and weight side. Probably also in order to support this (rather desperate marketing-)statement they've just announced a pancake lens - the Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM."

With rare exception, Canon is a market follower, except when it comes to price.


critiquing the new focusing motor (which apparently works best with the EOS 650D and future cameras),

I think discussing this (STM vs USM) is a major point since this is Canon's new pet toy for their beloved video customers. it deserves close scrutiny and if it has little to no value for 99.99% of the market, that's a valid criticism.

Another valid issue would be that the 1Dx isn't listed as compatible, the 5d3 may get a firmware update to use it, but if full support is not included, that's another well deserved criticism.


and deeming the notion of a pancake lens on a full size DSLR a ridiculous concept. They also fail to factor the attractive price into any of these discussions. (Oh well, everyone's a critic these days.)

Given that there is a bit of focus shift, that may explain Roger's findings that the lens does not seem to get sharper when stopped down. The Photozone tests show that it does (a bit), but this could be masked by focus shift with flat subjects close up (such as test charts).


Agreed, the size part may be added noise so they have more to say. So far, other than the poor tolerances on the lens mount - and I actually mean very poor testing the fit on two bodies now - the lens is perfect size-wise on my 5d P&S. I like it a lot and the lens will probably be glued to it for a while.

A $200 priced lens beats a $300 price, though the price is not spectacular compared to the 50mm f/1.8; we've just become used to Canon sticking things up our backside for all their gear. I think that's the subtle point when reading between the lines.

I'm still evaluating the optics, but it looks pretty good.



Jun 27, 2012 at 09:15 AM
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p.7 #12 · 40/2.8 is very good


jamesf99 wrote:
Another valid issue would be that the 1Dx isn't listed as compatible, the 5d3 may get a firmware update to use it, but if full support is not included, that's another well deserved criticism.


Canon issues EOS 5D Mark III firmware v1.1.3, adding 40mm F2.8 support:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/19/Canon-5D-mark-III-firmware-1-1-3-with-40mm-f2-8-support






Jun 27, 2012 at 09:25 AM
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p.7 #13 · 40/2.8 is very good


jamesf99 wrote:
I'm surprised you feel that way. i found the review to be worthwhile, albeit extremely short.

Do three sentences (see below) constitute chastisement for what everyone knows is an apparent failure by Canon to understand or care about the market? I think it's honest and more than fair.

"Canon is the only major Japanese camera manufacturer who has been shy of entering the mirrorless market (as of the time of this review). So far their reps always argued that it is possible to design smallish APS-C DSLRs that are also able to compete on the size and weight side. Probably also
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James, everything in the paragraph you quote is a statement of fact, except for this 3 word phrase: "(rather desperate marketing-)".

Regardless of whether I agree with the author, this is a completely gratuitous insertion of the author's personal opnion, and it in no way helps this review.

Most readers presumably don't go there to read the author's personal blog.






Jun 27, 2012 at 09:40 AM
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p.7 #14 · 40/2.8 is very good


Received my pancake today after selling a big load of my L primes


great white by mariosworld343, on Flickr



Jun 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM
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p.7 #15 · 40/2.8 is very good


jamesf99 wrote:
I have to ask others that have received their lens (I just got mine).

Is it hard to get on/off? I know it's a tiny lens, but this does not feel good. I just called the store and had one of the guys check more lenses. He tried two and said the same thing... not good, not nice, and the tightest mount he's ever felt. The store is calling Canon tomorrow, but I may need to exchange it..

I thought it might be because it's so small, so I grabbed a larger lens and only used two fingers to mount it and
...Show more

Mine's a little tight. Not uncomfortably so, but it's noticeably tighter than other lenses. It doesn't concern me as I figure it will loosen up with time. I'm planning on leaving it on my old 5D so I doubt I'll take it on and off enough to matter.



Jun 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM
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p.7 #16 · 40/2.8 is very good


Yakim Peled wrote:
I fail to see the funny side. How on Earth can this lens be used in video in AF mode?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


As best I can tell, that video seems to be the auditory equivalent of shooting one's lens cap and brigtening the image to 18% grey and claiming it's got a lot of noise. Mine is undetectable if there's any other noise in the environment (normal room/outdoors etc).
This is much more like my focusing noise experience:




Jun 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM
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p.7 #17 · 40/2.8 is very good


I think this lens might be canons little gem.

pancake magic by mariosworld343, on Flickr



Jun 27, 2012 at 01:08 PM
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p.7 #18 · 40/2.8 is very good


nelsonal wrote:
As best I can tell, that video seems to be the auditory equivalent of shooting one's lens cap and brigtening the image to 18% grey and claiming it's got a lot of noise. Mine is undetectable if there's any other noise in the environment (normal room/outdoors etc).
This is much more like my focusing noise experience:



So the only problem in that video is that there was no ambient noise?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jun 27, 2012 at 04:27 PM
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p.7 #19 · 40/2.8 is very good


Yakim Peled wrote:
So the only problem in that video is that there was no ambient noise?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



I agree with nelsonal that the original video seems to amplify its noise. I think this is much closer to what it is in reality:



Canon has already documented that the 40 STM AF motor is kind of a tradeoff made for size. It is NOT silent in any sense, but it is quiet. The 18 135 STM is supposed to much quieter/faster.



Jun 27, 2012 at 04:41 PM
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p.7 #20 · 40/2.8 is very good


Man this is amazing. I can now fit 5D II in the same bag I used to carry OMD, I think I just found my carry everywhere FF camera


Jun 27, 2012 at 05:33 PM
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