To me the Xpro1 got drowned by three things -- its price ($1600 for a slow focusing crop body, meh) the EM5 (the 5-axis IBIS and killer IQ in that small pkg is a game changer) and the Nex7 (pent up demand) finally showing up in stock after all the flood related delays. In the end consumers did the talking with their wallets - and judging by the Amazon sales rankings the Xpro1 is not in the conversation. Swing and a miss by Fuji. Though if the body + 35mm lens had come in at the pre-announcement $1600 price estimate, this would likely be a different conversation.
FlyPenFly wrote:
I hope the lesson they take from is that $1000-$1200 is the max most people would pay for a crop camera body.
Really? All my camera bodies have "crop" sensors and all of them were well over $1,000 new, the D2Xs representing the top costing around $5,000. Still, there are plenty of "crop" sensor cameras available just under $2,000, like the X-Pro1 and several DSLRs.
Of cameras manufactured, those with 35mm sensors represent a very tiny segment, and none so far has been launched at a price significantly lower than $2,000, and even that was only one camera, the A850. All the rest have been at $3,000 and above.
millsart wrote:
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If the XPro had AF as fast as the m4/3 cameras, the ability to handle RF wides as well as the Ricoh M module and Sony's focus peaking I bet people would of paid $2000+
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I am still waiting for the camera you described to be released!
millsart wrote:
I ironically sold mine and just dropped it off at FedEx this afternoon. I had it serviced by Fuji a couple months ago for the "SAB" so I think the buyer can sleep easy even though he did buy a used one.
And I am that buyer Looking forward to shooting with the X100 again.
Well, reality is smacking me in the face today. I've been playing with this new X100 for several hours, and really can't believe how enjoyable it is. For lack of a better term, I feel like I'm using a "real" camera again. I've only used the newest firmware, and my camera serial is from this year, so I'm not exactly sure how much worse the user experience was when this camera came out, but I really like it, so far. Even the exp. comp wheel seems to have more resistance than I'd expected, after reading criticisms of the camera.
I was planning on buying an X100 last year, but the reviews scared me away. I'm really glad I'm giving it a go, now. Even the AF is better than I was expecting. Add Olympus AF speed, Sony EVF quality, and maybe a 45mm lens, and this thing would be just about perfect for me. As it stands now, I'm still super happy with it...but we'll see longer term.
Hey, thanks to you and others for unintentionally pushing me into the X100. What a cool little camera. I can't wait to use it for real, rather than just taking family pics and pics of my yard.
douglasf13 wrote:
Well, reality is smacking me in the face today. I've been playing with this new X100 for several hours, and really can't believe how enjoyable it is. For lack of a better term, I feel like I'm using a "real" camera again. I've only used the newest firmware, and my camera serial is from this year, so I'm not exactly sure how much worse the user experience was when this camera came out, but I really like it, so far. Even the exp. comp wheel seems to have more resistance than I'd expected, after reading criticisms of the camera.
I was planning on buying an X100 last year, but the reviews scared me away. I'm really glad I'm giving it a go, now. Even the AF is better than I was expecting. Add Olympus AF speed, Sony EVF quality, and maybe a 45mm lens, and this thing would be just about perfect for me. As it stands now, I'm still super happy with it...but we'll see longer term....Show more →
Epic fail on your part listen to those reviews. You could have had 1 year behind you with this amazing camera by now. You live in the US. Buy it and if you dont like it in a month, return it.
The X100 is the ultimate travel camera. Picking the 23mm focal length was an act of pure genius by Fujifilm. Easily the most versatile FL there is. I went out shoot today with my X100, and probably put my 10,000 image behind me with it.
aleksanderpolo wrote:
For that reason alone I won't touch a X100, used (for fear of SAB) or new (for fear of resale)
Same here. I just can't justify having that kind of issue with a camera of this price, and it's frustrating that Fuji doesn't own up to it with a no questions asked repair policy.
I think the solution is simple, buy a USA product, and buy it from someone you can trust whom provides you the original receipt.
I've never heard of anyone having any issues (at least with Fuji USA) of getting a camera serviced as long as they provide the receipt with it, even after 1 year is up.
Additionally, Fuji is hardly the only company that won't service grey market items. Just try sending a grey market Nikon product to one of their service centers. They will refuse to even touch it for any price as well.
tobicus wrote:
Same here. I just can't justify having that kind of issue with a camera of this price, and it's frustrating that Fuji doesn't own up to it with a no questions asked repair policy.
tobicus wrote:
Same here. I just can't justify having that kind of issue with a camera of this price, and it's frustrating that Fuji doesn't own up to it with a no questions asked repair policy.
Yeh, they tried to tell me the sticky blade issue is not an issue and only a few cases have been reported. That is a pilebof BS as I seen a pole where over 50% of the respondents said they had the issue. I also wonder if the ones that don't have an issue is because it has not yet developed in their camera. Maybe in time, the blades will start sticking as well. Mine did not have the problem and developed over time.
The best thing Fuji could do is publish the problem and offer a free fix for everyone that sends in the camera...like Canon did for the mirror problem in the 5d. Fuji won't do this because the fix is very costly, basically replacing the entire lens assembly. Instead they will hide behind their warranty policy where the warranty is void if you are not the original owner of the camera. Warranties should cover manufacturing defects...but a design flaw which I believe the sticky blades is, should be covered by a recall and fixed for free. Happens in the auto industry all the time.
chez wrote:
Yeh, they tried to tell me the sticky blade issue is not an issue and only a few cases have been reported. That is a pilebof BS as I seen a pole where over 50% of the respondents said they had the issue. I also wonder if the ones that don't have an issue is because it has not yet developed in their camera. Maybe in time, the blades will start sticking as well. Mine did not have the problem and developed over time.
The best thing Fuji could do is publish the problem and offer a free fix for everyone that sends in the camera...like Canon did for the mirror problem in the 5d. Fuji won't do this because the fix is very costly, basically replacing the entire lens assembly. Instead they will hide behind their warranty policy where the warranty is void if you are not the original owner of the camera. Warranties should cover manufacturing defects...but a design flaw which I believe the sticky blades is, should be covered by a recall and fixed for free. Happens in the auto industry all the time....Show more →
I really don't understand Fuji's stance on this SAB issue. Back when I owned the S2Pro, some cameras had defective sensors which did not show up until long after warranty and Fuji then did the right thing and covered the cameras by replacing even out of warranty sensors. This X100 SAB issue is at least as wide spread. Heck, many of us here - the majority of X100 users I would even bet - had this problem. Fuji is only damaging their reputation and future sales by not taking care of this the honorable way.
Agreed, Tariq. This seems more like a manufacturer's defect than a simple warranty issue. I've seen numerous reports from various forums that Fuji did make a design change to lens assembly at the end of '11, but who knows? My copy was built in the middle of March of this year, so I'm hoping it'll be fine, but it'll take time to find out.
rattymouse wrote:
Epic fail on your part listen to those reviews. You could have had 1 year behind you with this amazing camera by now. You live in the US. Buy it and if you dont like it in a month, return it.
The X100 is the ultimate travel camera. Picking the 23mm focal length was an act of pure genius by Fujifilm. Easily the most versatile FL there is. I went out shoot today with my X100, and probably put my 10,000 image behind me with it.
You must have misunderstood me. I already did buy it, and I do think it's great, but I'm glad I waited. My copy of the camera doesn't have a loose exp. comp dial, probably won't have SAB, and several of the firmware improvements are welcome. I'd still personally have preferred a 45mm lens, but I'm learning to accommodate. I do wish the camera had my NEX-7's sensor, too, but I'll likely not notice too much at my print size.
FlyPenFly wrote:
The loose EX comp dial used to drive me crazy, did they stiffen that up?
I've not handled an older model, but mine certainly feels plenty stiff, and I've seen other owners of both the black version and new silver version say the same thing. I had ordered a little o-ring to put at the base of the dial, expecting there to be an issue, but it seems fine to me.
Some really nice images here fly, seems like you got on okay with it despite the annoyances it caused you. Perhaps worth another try if this area (size, quality) isn't entirely satisfied with what you have now... They're come down quite a lot now, I think you can get them for £650 new over here, almost tempted myself a few weeks ago, but satisfied with my hi-matic. You say 12MP feels a little cramped... How are you displaying these images?
Looking forward to shooting with the X100 again. 