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p.6 #1 · Gear vs Talent...


Tim Ashton wrote:
A Gold ring


Tim


Careful though. The gold ring thing didn't work out so well in Valhalla... ;-)



May 17, 2012 at 08:52 AM
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p.6 #2 · Gear vs Talent...


gdanmitchell wrote:
Careful though. The gold ring thing didn't work out so well in Valhalla... ;-)


My Precioussssss...! :-P




May 17, 2012 at 09:28 AM
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p.6 #3 · Gear vs Talent...


great gear doesnt replace talent obviously, but it cuts down the headaches. Easier to reach your goals.


May 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM
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p.6 #4 · Gear vs Talent...


KaaX wrote:
My Precioussssss...! :-P


Nor in Mordor...



May 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM
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p.6 #5 · Gear vs Talent...


gdanmitchell wrote:
Nor in Mordor...


Though I seem to recall that particular ring was quite in demand... :-D



May 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM
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p.6 #6 · Gear vs Talent...


OP,
You should see that movie "The Bang Bang Club" and the equipment they used back then. 2 guys won Pulitzer prizes for 2 amazing photos. Well that, and the fact that they were at the right place at the right time to shoot those scenes...and the editors chose the right frames to publish. Their gear was the latest from that era, btw, some nikon film cameras.

Someone above linked a person's work from a trip to Kiribati. Those are nice pics...but you can easily use a P&S camera (which was used in that case) for friendly and easy-going people pics, try that with wildlife and birds....you just cannot. As long as you know what gear is right for *your* job, why care what others buy ?

Also, if you can afford to buy the latest gear and feel more empowered to achieve your goals or simply to get a rush of adrenaline, I say... go ahead... life is short.



May 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM
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RobDickinson wrote:
If only you could paint a red ring around talent , box it and sell it.

I wonder which would make more money?


I would wager a bet, given the current pace of software development and the hardware capability in the palm of our hands, we will see cameras that will suggest perspectives based on all parameters that can be measured and quantified and some that can only be inferred by a algorithm that has processed many millions of photos as rated by the end users. Similar to transition from MF/ME to AF/AE, I predict some of the seemingly artistic elements will be automated.



May 17, 2012 at 01:56 PM
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p.6 #8 · Gear vs Talent...


KaaX wrote:
Though I seem to recall that particular ring was quite in demand... :-D


It was in demand. By a lot of folks who thought that by obtaining that ring they could ascend to higher levels of power and achievement than those who did not possess it. Many of them acted quite rashly and irrationally in their efforts to obtain the "magic" of the ring, but in the end... ;-)

kirry007 wrote:
Also, if you can afford to buy the latest gear and feel more empowered to achieve your goals or simply to get a rush of adrenaline, I say... go ahead... life is short.


To which I might reply, given the short length of life there are more important and rewarding things to aspire to than owning more expensive lenses than someone else. ;-)

Dan

Edited on May 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM · View previous versions



May 17, 2012 at 02:00 PM
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thedutt wrote:
I would wager a bet, given the current pace of software development and the hardware capability in the palm of our hands, we will see cameras that will suggest perspectives based on all parameters that can be measured and quantified and some that can only be inferred by a algorithm that has processed many millions of photos as rated by the end users. Similar to transition from MF/ME to AF/AE, I predict some of the seemingly artistic elements will be automated.


. From http://www.pcworld.com/article/255713/handson_with_sonys_new_alpha_a37_and_alpha_nexf3.html (emphasis mine):

"There's also a newer feature called Auto Portrait Framing that analyzes headshots and automatically crops them based on the rule of thirds. The idea is that the camera will automatically create a "perfect portrait" from any headshot snapped in Auto mode. It creates a cropped copy of the original shot, and then allows you to choose between the two."



May 17, 2012 at 02:13 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
To which I might reply, given the short length of life there are more important and rewarding things to aspire to than owning more expensive lenses than someone else. ;-)

Dan

Yes but who is to judge what each individual considers important or should aspire to?



May 17, 2012 at 02:14 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
...but in the end...


I dunno :-D There were four non-Maia holders of Ring -- two (Isildur and Gollum) ended up badly, but the other two (Bilbo and Frodo) ended up very very well going off to the Undying Lands. :-P



May 17, 2012 at 02:24 PM
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artd wrote:
Yes but who is to judge what each individual considers important or should aspire to?


+1 artD, that's exactly why I said "you".

On a side note: Talking about new gear, the silent shutter on the 5Dmk3 is killer.....



May 17, 2012 at 02:28 PM
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RobDickinson wrote:
If only you could paint a red ring around talent , box it and sell it.

I wonder which would make more money?


I would wager a bet, given the current pace of software development and the hardware capability in the palm of our hands, we will see cameras that will suggest perspectives based on all parameters that can be measured and quantified and some that can only be inferred by a algorithm that has processed many millions of photos as rated by the end users. Similar to transition from MF/ME to AF/AE, I predict some of the seemingly artistic elements will be automated.



May 17, 2012 at 02:33 PM
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So i want to post my experience here, in case anybody gets this far in the thread. that it might be useful to
bottom line for me, if your enjoying it , and like your results , does it really matter what gear you have
i also think the learning curve from all digital is much faster than film if your willing to spend the time on it

Personally I have only been shooting with a dslr for 2 years so not a lot of experience here. and for me this is just a hobby. I still mostly shoot my family and for my family. and I still really enjoy it
when my son was born I figured, get a better camera , take better pictures, and while the pictures may have had more detail in them over my P&S the pictures were not better. I did take a class offered at the best buy I purchased the camera at . and the best thing that did for me was get me out of full auto and using the aperture and shutter priority modes
Gear at this point : t2i with kit lens and a 50 1.8, and used 17-4 4.0 (I never used the 50 at this point but read it was a great value)
so i started reading tech forums and reviews for how to improve. I found that to be both good and bad, the good was that i ended up with some good glass, the bad was that it still didn't make my pictures any better, although I could take pictures in less light now , colors were a little better, i also made the mistake at looking at 100% crops of my photos, when in reality I have never cropped anything that small, or printed anything that big
new Gear: used 28-70 2.8, 70-200 2.8 IS V1 , 580EXII
At this point, I really started to figure out that I needed more practice , and to seriously look at what I liked and did not like about my photos and other peoples work, that when at least from my perspective, I really stared noticing an improvement in my photos , and also found that i liked available light photos, over flash even in low light
new Gear: used 5Dii, 50 1.4 (replaced the 28-70 with a 24-70 l and the 70-200 V1 with a V2,)
I did more forum reading and posting before I got the 5Dii , also at this time, a professional photographer that my family had used in the past offered 1 on 1 lessons, and my wife got me those for Christmas. i cannot tell you whether I am improving or the gear got better but I like the pictures from the 5dii better than the t2i, also in the past few months my 28-70 bit the dust , and I used my 50 almost exclusively. ( I can also tell you that at this point, my father , who has been using Nikon SLR's for as long as I can remember, stared to tell me my photos were looking good, up until this point , he would point out anything I did wrong in any photo I showed him, or tell me the were just an ok picture)
New gear: set of 3 photogenic 1250's with stands and umbrellas + backdrop
I was trying to hang sheets and take "Studio" style portraits of my son and family with just window lights and reflectors I got a good deal on Craigslist locally for the strobes and am currently enjoying learning to use them trough trial and error, a local camera shop also offered lesson on strobe studio work that I will likely take.

Today: when I am out my 70-200 2.8 IS II practically lives on my camera , unless I am in very low light then I go with he 50 1.4 , shooting in raw , manual settings

I hope that i continue to get better, I want to spend less time making corrections in Photoshop, and more time taking and enjoying photos. but I will also admit that the newer gear I got over that past 2 years opened up options to take photographs I might not have been able to get otherwise especially in low light with no flash. and since this is a hobby, I look for any deal I can on used equipment, I have had to wait and passed on deals I did;t feel right about , but have gotten some very good prices on gear i could not have otherwise afforded






May 17, 2012 at 02:33 PM
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p.6 #15 · Gear vs Talent...


kevin -- Sounds like a great way to progress into the field of photography.

Similarly, I continue to upgrade my equipment and skills, even after 30 years. I find gear (inclucing computers/software) drives improvements in my skills. I'm grateful to still be excited by trying out new gear and learning new things.



May 18, 2012 at 09:11 AM
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Gunzorro wrote:
I find gear (inclucing computers/software) drives improvements in my skills.


Speaking for myself, I'd say new gear drives improvements in my capabilities. I am not so sure it drives improvements in my (photographic) skills (if they exist at all :-D)



May 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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In response to BOBBYTAN's comment:

Exactly my situation as a retired chemistry teacher who loves

spending time in botanical gardens photographing flowers. I don't

care if anyone likes the photos. However, I do like to optimize

the results for own pleasure so I spend money to buy the best equipment--5D3,

L lens, etc. Only exception is doing family portraits (4 daughters

and my wife); they are a demanding clientele providing ample

feedback.



May 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM
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Great topic!

I have enjoyed reading every reply to this one. It is interesting to me that the topic asks, "Gear vs. Talent?" because I think making images is always a two-fold exercise. First, It makes sense to visualize the image you want and then second, select the appropriate gear to help execute that process. Success is in direct proportion to your failures so very successful photographers often have the most failures too. Ironically simple isn't it?

World class pilot Chuck Yeager said, "There are no natural born pilots"

I believe that is true with photography as well. You can continue to learn your gear and you can keep improving your vision also. You never get too old to be more creative.

In this thread it has been mentioned that you cannot shoot wildlife without the right equipment and that is true. So part of making good images is shooting within the capabilities of our current kit. I've heard great wedding photographers say they could cover a wedding in grand style with just a 35L lens. Of course they would be carefully selecting their shots and would not try to take a photo where a 200mm lens was needed. The success of shooting a wedding with only a 35L would rely heavily upon the knowledge and experience of that photog, which is obviously related to his failures when using that same kit.

Finally, I believe there are no "natural born photographers", and also if a person wants to buy all the greatest gear and use it in full auto mode then that's okay. It's just that you have to push yourself if really want to get to a higher level and not rely on the gear to do it for you. It will take a lot of work and practice to improve. Successful people are the ones who are willing to do what others won't.



May 18, 2012 at 10:39 AM
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artd wrote:
Yes but who is to judge what each individual considers important or should aspire to?


Each person should ask himself or herself this question from time to time.



May 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM
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Mark, I beg to differ slightly. Being a pilot or a rocket scientist is quite different to being an artist, photographer or a singer. The later is born with an inherent talent or skill. If God decided that you will be born w/o the ability to sing, no amount of training is going to make you a singing sensation. And artists and photographers are a bit like singers. If you don't have a very visual or creative mind you can still learn and become a decent photographer but your growth will be limited. Likewise athletes. I do believe that the top athletes are born with a natural talent, and given the proper training and equipment/tools to work with, they will become world-class champions. FWIW I am the epitome of a stunted photographer ... in case you think that I think I belong to the later group.


May 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM
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