Everyone is saying to put that sensor in a 5d. Seriously, why doesn't Canon give up on developing them and purchase the sensors from Sony also. Seems like they are doing something right.
I guess half the magic in the sensor is from nikon who arnt willing to share with canon?
Also I think canon is struggling at the fabrication side of things, the 1Dx sensor is (I think) made with a different process and with too limited a throughput for the 5d3 one.
What I want to know was Tioga pass now open to get over to Mono Lake? It was open a crazy amount for this almost non-winter in California. (For those who don't know, its usually closed late Oct. To June, a rare year would see it open for Thanksgiving or Memorial Day, but this year was unheard of, open at Christmas and and apparently in mid April)
As for the cameras, thx for posting. In South America and all I brought for this trip was a NEX 5 and left the heavy 5dii kit and lenses at home. Even if i had a D800, I would probably still pack the Sony. This trip is about urban photography, but if I were hitting Patagonia, well, then the SLR would make the trip. Alas, photography is all about compromises, and I want an urban friendly small kit this time. For tripod landscape work, well, then color me impressed with the Nikon, the shadows are insane. It comes down to the glass, hope to see your pce24 review/pics soon.
A most excellent review that is truly appreciated. Literally, it is the best comparison that I have read and I say that without the slightest hope of building up brownie points to keep you from banning me for life for my occasionally snarky comments.
It strikes me that Nikon's Live View problems are a result of the industry's / company's push for including video in still cameras. I understand why some people benefit from its inclusion but it adds a cost to those of us who won't ever use it and, in this case, it reduces functionality. Same goes for Canon, if their still camera division had spent less time and money on video they might have had the resources to do something to keep their sensor competitive.
libbyh wrote:
I hear you Mike, I'm crossing my fingers that the upcoming Samyang tilt-shift will be a good performer and solve the independent shift and tilt issue.
Yep, I'll be watching for it, and Fred M's review of the nikon 24 when it arrives as well. Or, better yet, Canon just stepping it up with a competitive sensor.
For different reasons, the Canon 5D3 and the Nikon D800 are both incredible camera bodies. From a technical perspective, they have created much wanderlust. But they are simply the means to a greater end?
At the end of the day it's the photographer who makes all of the critical decisions around composition and the usage of light. It will be many years before the heuristics of creativity find their way into a printed circuit board. Modern camera bodies simply give humans "more opportunities" to extend their artistic creativity, and "get" shots that were heretofore impossible (or very, very difficult).
Enjoy what you have, now... And get out and shoot!
All this gear stuff is less about photography and more about whether to spend/invest a few thousand dollars. If I had unlimited funds, would I really care about all these reviews? I'd simply try for myself.
I would be interested in seeing non interpolated crops from the 5D MKIII in the controlled tests. The algorithm used to upscale the images could have easily introduced much of the visible defects.
It is so funny to read the differences in this same thread that is also over in the Nikon board. Over there half the posters are heavily criticizing Fred for his "biased" review and getting in a big fuss over the negative put out their against their camera. Also they seem upset that most of the pictures were posted from the Canon and very few from the Nikon. Fred clarified both in the actual review and with a post on that thread that it was only down to him not being able to use the Nikon as effectively. Goes along way to show that outright IQ is great but first of all the camera has to be able to be put to use. Defective LV is not a good thing in a camera otherwise geared towards landscape and studio shooters.
blschaefer1 wrote:
I would be interested in seeing non interpolated crops from the 5D MKIII in the controlled tests. The algorithm used to upscale the images could have easily introduced much of the visible defects.
On another forum the same comment was raised (possible desperate defence of the Canon sensor) You can test it for yourself, as I did. Take the 100%crop of first shadow region (the one with the non smoking sign, before Fred raised the shadows) -it's the Nikon image. Raise the shadows till they look like Fred's raised version (I used CS4 exposure +4EV) and use bicubic (or your desired variable method) to increase the size by 28% in each dimension. Or scale and then raise the shadows. It didn't matter, the result I got was essentially the same and no discernible noise or pattern was added by that modest scaling.
arbitrage wrote:
It is so funny to read the differences in this same thread that is also over in the Nikon board. Over there half the posters are heavily criticizing Fred for his "biased" review and getting in a big fuss over the negative put out their against their camera. Also they seem upset that most of the pictures were posted from the Canon and very few from the Nikon. Fred clarified both in the actual review and with a post on that thread that it was only down to him not being able to use the Nikon as effectively. Goes along way to show that outright IQ is great but first of all the camera has to be able to be put to use. Defective LV is not a good thing in a camera otherwise geared towards landscape and studio shooters....Show more →
+1000.
I don't own nor have I shot with the D800 but the poorly implemented Liveview is an absolute show-stopper for many landscape and studio photographers.
From what I've read, the LV issue is the largest single problem with the D800. However, it is a big enough problem that Nikon MUST fix it, IMHO.
) You can test it for yourself, as I did. Take the 100%crop of first shadow region (the one with the non smoking sign, before Fred raised the shadows) -it's the Nikon image. Raise the shadows till they look like Fred's raised version (I used CS4 exposure +4EV) and use bicubic (or your desired variable method) to increase the size by 28% in each dimension. Or scale and then raise the shadows. It didn't matter, the result I got was essentially the same and no discernible noise or pattern was added by that modest scaling.