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Archive 2012 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)

  
 
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p.1 #1 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


My friends on nature and wildlife asked me to do this.

The attached is a comparison of 5diii vs 5dii vs 7d vs 7d cropped to a similar size based on the same distance.

Taken in RAW and processed with aperture. Sharpened consistently.

Enjoy

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Apr 17, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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p.1 #2 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


I'll try again.

Where are the birds, and does this mean I should buy a 1DMk4?



Apr 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM
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p.1 #3 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Imagemaster wrote:
I'll try again.

Where are the birds, and does this mean I should buy a 1DMk4?


I will try to get the birds to stay still and try again. Should I pin them and stuff them



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM
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p.1 #4 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


wait, how is the 7D image not more zoomed in? it looks like you downscaled away it's reach?



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM
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p.1 #5 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


skibum5 wrote:
wait, how is the 7D image not more zoomed in? it looks like you downscaled away it's reach?


I cropped the 5dii, 5diii, 7d, to the equivalent of the 7d w 1.4x



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM
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p.1 #6 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


skibum5 wrote:
wait, how is the 7D image not more zoomed in? it looks like you downscaled away it's reach?


Read what he said: cropped to a similar size based on the same distance.



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM
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p.1 #7 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


What is supposed to be being demonstrated here?

If you upscaled the 5D2/5D3/7D to match 7D with 1.4x TC ok but the subject matter doesn't really have any details to compare with, mostly blank walls and smooth banana. There is no fine detail anywhere.




Apr 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM
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p.1 #8 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Scott Stoness wrote:
What I conclude visually is that:

1) 5d3 is marginally better than 5d2 at high ISO.
2) If you looking for reach 7d w 1.4x outresolves 7d which outresolves 5d3 which outresolves 5d2.
3) Grain is nicer on 5d3 than 5d2 than 7d in order?
4) The advantage of 5d3 is marginal for wildlife vs 5d2 for static shots
5) The advantage of 5d3 or 5d2 is small as compared to 7d for ISO

I am still happy with my 5d3 purchase but I bought it for landscape (better ISO, weather sealing, more autobracketing, wider bracketing choices in stops etc. ) which I have not
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Thanks. Your conclusions corroborate other folks' findings so I am going to bookmark this post.

Based on your set-up, you can also say something about depth of field since it's useful info for wildlife photographers.



Apr 18, 2012 at 01:02 AM
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p.1 #9 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


thanks Scott .. it's definitely an interesting test.. i'm going to bookmark it also


Apr 18, 2012 at 03:01 AM
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p.1 #10 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Thw2: You are welcome. Next I will try to have some kind of test for bif focussing. Scott


Kmunroe: You are welcome as well. Glad you found it useful. Scott



Apr 18, 2012 at 07:56 AM
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p.1 #11 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


@imagemaster

Yes, you should buy an mk iv.

I am again enthused by photography.



Apr 18, 2012 at 08:43 AM
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p.1 #12 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Thanks for taking this series, Scott!

If I did these right - here are the links in case anyone else prefers to open images in separate tabs to tab through them for easy comparison...

5D3 ISO100

5D2 ISO100

7D ISO 100

7D+1.4x 100

5D3 ISO6400

5D2 ISO6400

7D ISO6400

7D+1.4x 6400



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM
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p.1 #13 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Perhaps I am blind, but on the basis of this test there appears to be damn all difference between the 5D2 and 5D3. Do my eyes need testing?


Apr 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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p.1 #14 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


I did a real life lens torture test between 1D4 and 5d III

EF 300/2.8 L(non-IS) + 2X II +1.4TC III = 840mm
shooting conditions: F/10, 1/800sec, ISO 1250. Both the combo still AF but 5D III was way smother and quicker to lock the bird.
-I cropped and 50% re-sized the 1d4 image(as I generally do for my bird images).
- I cropped the same FOV and re-sized the to have the same size final image. Both images were processed in the same way.

1D4:
http://ruhikant.smugmug.com/Birds/5DII/i-4BcB9qs/0/O/B37D3278-2D44.jpg

5D III

http://ruhikant.smugmug.com/Birds/5DII/i-FV5RgWn/0/O/HG2A6373aa5D.jpg


Edited on Apr 18, 2012 at 01:28 PM · View previous versions



Apr 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM
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p.1 #15 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


So the 5DIII only detects one bird while the 1dIV detects both? Is that a function of the 1/3X crop?


Apr 18, 2012 at 01:10 PM
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p.1 #16 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


elader wrote:
So the 5DIII only detects one bird while the 1dIV detects both? Is that a function of the 1/3X crop?

Sure, the second one just showed up !!!



Apr 18, 2012 at 01:47 PM
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p.1 #17 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


elader wrote:
So the 5DIII only detects one bird while the 1dIV detects both? Is that a function of the 1/3X crop?


Oh no another recall. I can see the headlines now: "Canon admits to disappearing bird issue and are trying to reproduce the issue in the lab with artificial owls"
http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/roflmbo.gif



Apr 18, 2012 at 05:42 PM
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Apr 18, 2012 at 06:01 PM
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p.1 #19 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


A more useful test would actually be
1. upsizing 5d3 to 7d (1.4x) and comparing.
2. 5d3+1.4x converter at 1 stop higher iso vs 7d (they will have very similar pixel density)
The test will be useful with with stuffed animal with fine fur/ feature to compare detail.

This will show a slight edge to the 7D in detail for test 1. for test 2, I will be very interested to see the difference.
Of course all of this is for a static object. more a moving object, the extra pixels may not prove to be very useful, given in less than ideal condition (subject movement, camera movement) you can not resolve detail which is not there.



Apr 18, 2012 at 06:25 PM
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p.1 #20 · 5d3 vs 5d 2 vs 7d vs 7d with 1.4x (ISO 100 and ISO 6400)


Scott Stoness wrote:
My friends on nature and wildlife asked me to do this.

The attached is a comparison of 5diii vs 5dii vs 7d vs 7d cropped to a similar size based on the same distance.



I always understood "cropped" just to mean edges cut off, but I see you and others also include optional resizing in the term. In this comparison, did the 7D images get resized (the 1.4x one even more) to yield the same approximate pixels per banana in the posted images? I don't think the conclusions will depend much on the answer but I always like to understand the details when someone takes the time and effort for such comparisons. Thanks
Andy



Apr 18, 2012 at 06:54 PM
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