If true Canon will be years behind for another the 4 years then? Who the heck wants to shoot JPG? 1 Stopain't that bog of improvement...
I believe Chuck Westfall has already come out and said that the 2-stops is only jpegs and didn't give any value for Raws. I would guess maximum 1-stop and probably around 3/4 or so.
Feb 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM
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geniousc wrote:
Nothing new here, typical new camera rhetoric The 1ds3 was supposed to blow the 1Ds2 away, less noise blah blah blah. The 1D4 was supposed to blow the 1D3 away but only provided a better working focusing system and a few other do dads. Canon told us 21MP was supposed to blow 16MP away. Now they tell us 16MP blows 21MP away and again has an improved focusing system. However the 1DX can't focus at F8. I still have tack sharp 13X19 prints from older generation 1D2 and 2n bodies that are not blown away by my 1D4. So where is the beef is my question? A $6800 question!...Show more →
But it's yours and other FMers rhetoric, not Canon's Canon have never told us that a 1Ds3 will blow the 1Ds2 away. Or any of the other things you claim here.
IMO the 1D4 is a much better body that the 1D3. And the 1Ds3 is clearly better than the 1Ds2. But no new body blow the other away...............
Feb 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM
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eosfun wrote:
I think it's a photographers insight, creative capabilities and personal photographic style that decide wether someone is 'blown away' by the features and performance of a new camera. I find the 1Dx one of those gradual improvements that is without a doubt better than it's predecessors: the 1DmkIV and 1DsmkIII. But to me even a predecessor of those are more than acceptable. I am still shooting the 1DsmkII every now and then, and I would be happy to shoot a sport event with the 1DmkIII if necessary. Heck, even the 1DmkII would be good enough for me. The 1Dx is a nice next step in evoluation of the 1D series and is most probably the best leap forward for 1DmkIII and mkIV shooters, rather than the 1DsmkIII photographers. Going full frame is the most important difference for 1D photographers. Video features are the most important extra features for 1DsmkIII shooters. Extra ISO is welcome to some, just like a few other features. But in general I must say the 1Dx is one of the least attractive upgrades to (real) photographers (in as not interested in video) since the start of Canon's 1D series. It suffers from the philosphy Canon put in the 1Dx as the next photojournalist camera being the successor of the 1DmkIV and being the upgrade for the 1DsmkIII as well. This convergence of both lines D and Ds into one is a rational decision for lowering production cost. But the pace of innovation the market demands has not been met. Just too few photographers will be blown away with the 1Dx. It's just a great allround camera that for the very first time gives full frame to the photojournalist and sportsphotographer. Canon obviously wanted to stay in relatively low resolution domain since high res means greater stress on AF systems and lenses for a critical group of professional end users. Also the desire to sell more long glass has been a marketing driver for Canon. The sportsphotographer working with a 300/2.8 on a 1DmkIV will have to upgrade to a 400/2.8 to fill the full frame like he was used to. The 1DsmkIII photographer however will only go for the upgrade if video is important or better high ISO performance is a need. Professional EOSfun has become less of an exciting business. More like: business as usual. ...Show more →
In some way it's true what you write here. But you and others here always assume that the people that upgrade to the new body own the latest cameras like 1Ds3 and 1D4. And that's very wrong to assume that. Most people don't do that. They will upgrade from a much older camera or a non series 1 body
Thats the point. Thank you Lars.
I come frome 5D II. Except in IQ I guess every "1" body would give me benefits. But of course, I would not look for any body offering lower ISO/IQ then my 5D II does.
An ubgrade to lower "1"s would not make much sense, if better AF or higher FPS are not needed to get a job done.
For me 1D X (and maybe 5D III) would be logical upgrades. If I already had a 1Ds MK III/1D MK IV I guess I would not really think about upgrading to 1D X, so long my gear does not break/fail.
I'm a sports guy and I'm going to get an "X" as soon as they are available. The reason is the high ISO performance. I shoot a fair amount of low light stuff, night football & basketball. If I could get more usable images using the "X" with less PP It would make it worth it. Currently, I use a 1ds3 with flash for night football. With the "X" I could "probably" dump the flash (If the cycling lights allow.....another topic all together) and my post processing time of red eye would be eliminated.... I'm not going to dump any of my 1.3 crop bodies. but, I am excited about a full frame body with a higher frame rate.... I just sold off my 1ds3 to make room (while the used market is so hot!).
Here's something to mull over too..... Nikon released the D4 that is selling at $5999. That has not fallen of deaf ears at Canon. They projected the price of their pro video camera body to be $20K, but when released it came out at $16k, 20% less.... At WPPI when asked the reps winked when asked if we can expect the "X" to come out at less than $6800.... I would not be surprised to see the "X" come out quite a bit less than $6800....
I would love cleaner ISO 25600 files... These take quite a bit of work both in the shoot and in the post processing. I hope this isn't hype this time around.
This is one of the best images I could muster out of the 1D4 last night at this high an ISO.
12800 works well enough though.
Getting a little excited to see what happens when this hits some of the forum members hands!
. I still have tack sharp 13X19 prints from older generation 1D2 and 2n bodies that are not blown away by my 1D4. So where
Canon have never told us that a 1Ds3 will blow the 1Ds2 away. Or any of the other things you claim here.
