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Archive 2012 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?

  
 
Smiert Spionam
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p.3 #1 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


At the kinds of magnifications in the watch shots, the NEX macro is probably perfect.


Feb 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM
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p.3 #2 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Thanks, can you try F11 and possibly recreating this sort of mag?


chronoscope-7 by jaetography, on Flickr


IMG_1114.jpg by jaetography, on Flickr


jxyy-7303.jpg by jaetography, on Flickr



Feb 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM
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p.3 #3 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Tripod, F11, ISO 100, subject is almost kissing the lens

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-006.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-005.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-004.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-003.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-002.jpg

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu292/pickmcg/mac-001.jpg



Feb 11, 2012 at 03:24 PM
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p.3 #4 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Thanks dude, it sounds like the working distance is too close. Its nice to see that it has a surprising lack of CA even in the bokeh.

I guess slrgear.com had a bad copy? Are you shooting RAW then LR or JPG?



Feb 11, 2012 at 04:16 PM
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p.3 #5 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


No prob, I was shooting raw + lr.



Feb 11, 2012 at 04:47 PM
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p.3 #6 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


McGrattan,
What was the distance like between the watch and camera in your first set of shots? I want something to photography relatively flat carved ivory reliefs around 3 inches tall and 3 inches wide in museum cases, where the lens might be 4 inches away from the object. Perhaps I need to go to a longer focal length.



Feb 12, 2012 at 01:57 PM
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p.3 #7 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


I didn't know about the existence of this lens yet: http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/105mm-f28-ex-dg-os-hsm-sigma
Internal focusing, so the length remains constant. It looks like the working distance is ~18.5cm at 1:1.
By the way, if you select the lens in Sigma mount, you pay half price!

Anyway, this doesn't seem like a suitable option for a NEX -- it probably doesn't have an aperture ring even in Nikon mount.



Feb 12, 2012 at 03:14 PM
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p.3 #8 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Fly -- a standard full frame lens will offer considerably higher apparent magnification on the crop 1.5X and double on the 2X M43 sensors. So a 50 that is nominally a 1:2 on full frame will be 1:1 at the same subject distance on M43. The 90mm will behave more like a 135mm offering 1.5X magnification on Nex.

As you see, you are asking pretty much the impossible -- you'd need a very long lens like a 180mm macro to get the subject distance you want. Then you are going to run into DOF issues.

I think you'll have to throw aside your concern about small size lens if you want these magnifications. The lens will need to rack out pretty far to get to what is 1:1 on Nex sensor.

Offhand, I'd say a nice 50-60mm macro will best for inherent DOF and "okay" subject distance. You'll need to do focus stacking to get best DOF at the magnification you are asking. With focus stacking you might get best results with 90-150mm lenses.

Perhaps someone can comment from experience with the Sigma 150, or Canon 180L? Those will give best working distance.

I'm interested to see what you come up with.

BTW -- I really like the close up pictures you've been showing the last month or so.



Feb 12, 2012 at 05:06 PM
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p.3 #9 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Gunzorro - this is interesting.
Why will the apparent magnification be bigger when the sensor is getting smaller?
I thought 1:1 is 1:1 and that only the maximum size would be different which you can capture on different sensors (?)



Feb 12, 2012 at 05:32 PM
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p.3 #10 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Well, for a lens which projects a 1:1 image onto, say, a FF sensor, using that same lens on a camera with a crop factor will crop out the outer regions of that shot, apparently magnifying further.

Recall that 1:1 means that the image *on the sensor* is the same size as the object in real life. The size of the sensor doesn't change that. So while the image is still 1:1, a crop factor makes it seem larger than on a larger sensor.



Feb 12, 2012 at 05:58 PM
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p.3 #11 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Well said, Carsten! Thanks.


Feb 12, 2012 at 06:09 PM
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p.3 #12 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


I have a feeling that there is a more optimal way to say the same, as clearly, but as Mark Twain said, I didn't have enough time to make it shorter


Feb 12, 2012 at 06:17 PM
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p.3 #13 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Thanks folks, I think I'm going to give the Tamron 90mm SP a try because it's relatively small with no weaknesses and is fairly light.


Feb 12, 2012 at 07:20 PM
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p.3 #14 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


inglis wrote:
McGrattan,
What was the distance like between the watch and camera in your first set of shots? I want something to photography relatively flat carved ivory reliefs around 3 inches tall and 3 inches wide in museum cases, where the lens might be 4 inches away from the object. Perhaps I need to go to a longer focal length.


In the first set of watch shots the lens was 2-3 inches from the subject.



Feb 12, 2012 at 07:37 PM
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p.3 #15 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


If you can deal with 2:1, the OM Zuiko 50/3.5 Macro is cheap and small, and very nice optically. Very sharp across the frame.

http://www.jordansteele.com/forumlinks/oly50-1.jpg



Feb 12, 2012 at 08:06 PM
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p.3 #16 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Jman13 wrote:
If you can deal with 2:1, the OM Zuiko 50/3.5 Macro is cheap and small, and very nice optically. Very sharp across the frame.


I own this lens and the Nikon version (55mm f/3.5) and they are both excellent.

Here's one from the Nikkor on the 5N...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/Other/AutumnWinter-11-new/i-Jz3qPhs/0/XL/DSC02002-12-XL.jpg



Feb 12, 2012 at 08:52 PM
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p.3 #17 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


FlyPenFly wrote:
I don't think any of these options posted so far are better than a tamron 90mm alpha mount version, the latest one. It is 1:1 and will be compatible with my a850 as well. I guess I was looking for something that was similar to the nex macro in size but slightly longer FL with a lot less CA.



I don't think I'm understanding tho. You're saying the Tamron SP 90 has too much CA too? My copies don't seem to.

Also later you called the Tamron small and light? It's not! Well maybe compared to the Zeiss MP 100 it is... but that's a behemoth!!! The one I photoed for example is about 1/2 or 1/3 the weight of the tamron and maybe something like 50mm smaller.

It does have a decent WD tho.

Several of the lenses mentioned best my copy of the Tamron SP in terms of IQ at macro focusing distances too - although not by too much.



Feb 12, 2012 at 09:19 PM
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p.3 #18 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Going to look into that Olympus 50mm F3.5.

I was saying the new version of the Tamron 90mm seems to be smaller lighter than most of the choices put forth in the same FL range. It also seems to have very little CA, decent bokeh, and decent stopped down performance. It's also compatible with my other camera which is a nice plus.



Feb 12, 2012 at 09:24 PM
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p.3 #19 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


k, I see...


I think the tamron is pretty excellent at infinity focus too which is kinda unusual for a 1:1 macro.



Feb 12, 2012 at 09:48 PM
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p.3 #20 · Does anyone make a good compact Macro 1:1 lens?


Here's a shot on my GH2 with the OM 50/3.5. I still use this lens occasionally, though I use the Leica 45/2.8 more often due to the AF, auto aperture and IS.




Feb 12, 2012 at 09:51 PM
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