deepbluejh wrote:
If these lenses were F2.0 at this price, we would have a winner.
OTOH, if they were non-IS at about $250 cheaper, they would be much more attractive as well.
Yes I agree. I've argued for years they a need a new non L set of f/2 primes covering 24-35mm and priced between the f/2.8 and f/1.4L's. I think we are mainly seeing huge price increase for the IS not the new designs, although it's natural to see increase on any new design. Personally I'd only want IS on a 35 f/2 and 50 f/1.4 if they were redoing these lenses.
BrianO wrote:
Lightweight, compact, stabilized primes would work nicely on an as-yet-unannounced MILC camera that would compete with Fujifilm's X-Pro 1.
Yes, if only it existed in reality and not just in our fantasies.
ragsn_old_iron wrote:
These are pro level lenses, not consumer models, and will be in housings, or used in groups of five or more tethered for simultaneous recording of subject. The auto sensing of pano movement is major, along with a defined sized and minimal weight for both pole and wire rigs and housings, plus four stops of stabilizing when not panning.
Smart move on Canon's part to produce these little guys.
I liked this part:
"Q: The new 24mm and 28mm seem to be really perplexing, they are not extremely fast, surly not cheap and have image stabilization which doesn't seem to be that necessary in such a short focal length. To top this you have the 17-55mm f/2.8 with IS which admittedly isn't a prime lens but can give you much more flexibility – so who is the real target audience here – videographers?
A: Videographers are indeed an ideal market for these lenses, but the main group who prompted the design of these lenses where in fact photojournalists. While a f/1.4 lens is desirable, they do tend to feature quite large optics. So for example in situations where photographers are trying to blend in and be less obtrusive, a lens with a smaller diameter is more suitable. We included IS to help these photographers to continue shooting in low light, even with smaller aperture that these lenses offer. It’s also worth noting the original versions of these lenses are nearly 25 years old. When designing their replacements we wanted to look forwards to ensure that these lenses enjoy a life span to match their predecessors."
EB-1 --- I was thinking that Canon's response was more interesting than the question itself anyways, these threads are strange and I thought this one was about the new 24/28 IS lenses, and I still like that Canon is affirming that the 24 and 28 IS lenses are mainly developed for working videographers and photojournalists. I am hopeful that the cost comes down somewhat, even if I am not a working photographer, I still like these lenses are being manufactured as an option to zoom or large aperture alternatives.
A good 24 is a good lens to have. The old one wasn't bad, and this newer lens is probably an improvement. As a landscape shooter I'm not in the market, because I have the 24 TS-E. If I didn't, the lens I would have preferred to see for my work would have been a 24 f/3.5, with really killer image quality for the same price as the new lens, leaving out the IS if necessary to get there.
More or less the same observation on the new 28, except that it is almost guaranteed to be a major image quality improvement over the existing offerings. I think 28mm is a great photo-journalism focal length, by the way. Used a Nikon 28mm all the time in a former incarnation as a journalist in the 70s. I see Canon's point about the value of the small size and IS for photojournalism. These might be in heavy demand as walk-arounds for non-journalists, too.
I still like that Canon is affirming that the 24 and 28 IS lenses are mainly developed for working videographers and photojournalists.
People have said on this thread that IS (on wide angles) for videographers, is an advantage, other said no advantage. I don't do video and don't know.
I am trying to understand Canon Management mindset for photo professionals, for photojournalists, and this gives some input. I am assuming that Canon's comments are serious, that they are not kidding, that they actually spent that lens development money to sell to photojournalists?
Does Canon really believe that if every photojournalist on planet Earth bought both IS wide angles, that it would equal one weeks sales to the general photo public? I am making the radical assumption if you connect a brain wave machine to Canon Management head, that there would be something other than a flat line?
The price kills em both for me (the recent lenses prices are all out of whack for ME)..... although I am interested in the 28-IS.... I think it would be real useful for video, it's not really fast enough for ME to justify that price range.
Don Clary wrote:
Does Canon really believe that if every photojournalist on planet Earth bought both IS wide angles, that it would equal one weeks sales to the general photo public?
Well, they didn't say they would only sell them to PJs. They may have been developed with PJs in mind, but clearly Canon knows that what sells to the pros will also sell to the masses, especially those who seem to believe that if they buy the same brushes Matisse used that they can paint like Matisse.
That was my point. These 25 year old primes terribly need to be updated. And yeah, if a pro buys it, then maybe it is good enough for Joe amateur. But to say it was designed FOR photojournalists, is both just marketing and a lie.
kewlcanon wrote:
They might be releasing 35 f/2 IS
That I would really like to see. The 24 and the 35 would make a nice light pair, assuming the optical quality is there. But these better start off sharp at their widest aperture to be worth the price.
Very interesting to review this thread after a year, even reading my old comments. The many comments about desire for a 35mm with IS, has come to pass at this time: 35/2 IS is available as of recently. Prices are still close to list, but will undoubtedly come down to closer to $600 in the upcoming months.
Just to update; I am currently waiting for shipment of 28/2.8 IS. I finally bought one! A special discount was offered by Adorama, priced down to $549, including shipping. That was within my comfort zone. (Sale goes on for one more day.)
I'm still waiting for the 35/2 IS price to come down, and then I'll snag one. That is the lens I really am looking forward to.
During the past year, I bought the old style EF versions of both these lenses and was very pleased with them. Using them really got me excited to have the updated versions with their improved IQ and the IS for hand held shooting. It makes a lot of sense, the comments at the end of the earlier section, about the lenses being directed to photo journalism style shooting. That, and IQ benefiting outdoor photography.
I should have mine within a week. Then the fun begins!
I have a trip to Bhutan and Nepal in April. Hope the price on the 35 is down by then as f2 and IS on a 5D3 would be nice in some of the darker places. Probably take the old f2 if it isn't.
Comparing the two I see that it takes an extra 1/4 lb to include IS, just like the extra focus points on the 5D3 weigh an extra 1/4 lb over the 5D2. Ahh, progress.
