Carsten; Yes, you could set the camera to shoot without the MD/MUP cycling. They've separated the shutter preload wind from the mirror engine, they were coupled as a unit before.
Wayne; Yes, if you choose contrast focusing. The aperture is preset when entering LV (stills). It's to bad they didn't add in the 1/8 step aperture control without cycling you apparently have in video LV mode... :-) I don't know if you can use the front Fn and DoF-preview buttons to step aperture up/down as you can in movie mode, older Nikons had to cycle in/out of LV mode to change aperture. You might.
What might have happened is that you've been bumped on to the next confirmed bulk shipment. I highly doubt Amazon has any high-priority outlets to source from. I also seriously doubt that the date will actually be a YEAR from now, but there IS a risk that you might have to wait a while.
The normal (priority) shops like the affirmed NPS-contact shops mention no more delays than before (-E version or otherwise). Nikon Europe also stated "delivery in same amount as before, with a possible one month delay"
Some are saying the delivery estimates are an Amazon glitch so I wouldn't cancel any pre-order there - but it might make sense to pre-order from a few other places as well (B&H, Adorama or locally). Worst case scenario is two D800's ship the same day and your stuck with having to sell one for $5000 or something on Ebay!
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Some are saying the delivery estimates are an Amazon glitch so I wouldn't cancel any pre-order there - but it might make sense to pre-order from a few other places as well (B&H, Adorama or locally). Worst case scenario is two D800's ship the same day and your stuck with having to sell one for $5000 or something on Ebay!
Yes, I had ordered one from Adorama, just in case. No word from them.
I will say, however, that at least i HAVE a delivery date for the D800E. Amazon STILL hasn't given me one for the NEX-7
;-)
Lotusm50 wrote:
Yes, I had ordered one from Adorama, just in case. No word from them.
I will say, however, that at least i HAVE a delivery date for the D800E. Amazon STILL hasn't given me one for the NEX-7
;-)
Well, if Amazon actually does screw this up - particularly when many of us ordered from them within hours of the pre-order option becoming available - it would really hurt their future, high end business for such items. This is an expensive camera with a fairly small market. With Nikon having at least 30,000 plus initially available, anyone who ordered immediately when the pre-order option became available should get one in the initial shipment. If they don't, then Amazon will be seen as having a huge problem with reliability.
For a delivery date of next year and Nikon turning out 30,000 D800's per month, is Amazon seriously saying there are 300,000 orders worldwide before ours? I don't think so, even given priority allotment to other outlets.
Won't even be so much as a 'mosquito bite' to Amazon's reputation ... although, it could push some of our business to Adorama / B&H / etc.
My guess is the ship date is an ultra-conservative way of saying "We can't be sure when we'll start shipping ... because we are somewhere down on the food chain of priority. If you really need it soon, you better buy it from someone who is higher on the list than we are."
I agree. They make it less than 1 year (today is 2/14) so it's still in the system I read somewhere, it will automatically be deleted if it's more than 1 year of waiting. Then, when it turns out that they are available much sooner, people will be happy.
Just like airlines put arrival times minutes later so that when it arrives earlier than that (although it's actually delayed), passengers are still happy.
Won't even be so much as a 'mosquito bite' to Amazon's reputation ... although, it could push some of our business to Adorama / B&H / etc.
My guess is the ship date is an ultra-conservative way of saying "We can't be sure when we'll start shipping ... because we are somewhere down on the food chain of priority. If you really need it soon, you better buy it from someone who is higher on the list than we are."
Overall, your right it will not effect Amazon that much - only for a small niche market (big spending, vocal early adopters can have a greater impact through word of mouth than some might believe though). I do think if your scenario is correct, it's disingenuous of Amazon to offer early pre-orders to begin with.
Good word ... but certainly nothing that precludes "big business" from proceeding.
I've had really good results with Amazon when I've used them, so I'd hope it is just an "ultra-conservative" way of saying "we're not sure" in the form of a "date" ... and they are actually to ship only SLIGHTLY behind some others. Who knows, maybe they are high on the priority list (volume vendor) and they'll be one of the first.
Either way, I wish everyone well in getting theirs as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing feedback at non-AA from real world experience @ others. Would be good to have more people in the non-AA DSLR camp.
RustyBug wrote:
I've had really good results with Amazon when I've used them, so I'd hope it is just an "ultra-conservative" way of saying "we're not sure" in the form of a "date" ... and they are actually to ship only SLIGHTLY behind some others. Who knows, maybe they are high on the priority list (volume vendor) and they'll be one of the first
If that's the case, I have to think there must have been a computer system error on their part in posting the far away date. If a human did this on purpose, they would have to know how much it would really piss customers off. Thus, I don't buy the premise that it is just an "ultra-conservative way of saying we're not sure" unless their intention is to get people to cancel their orders and piss them off. Not only would it not be a good customer service practice, it doen't make good business sense either.
I'd be more concerned about my Amazon order if some of you were getting a March or April timeframe and others were getting Jan 2013. I'm guessing its a dumb placeholder due to the lack of solid release date.
That being said I still want my D800E ASAP.
To get off the less interesting shipping topic and back to the AA filter stuff this is a bit of a crosspost but its probably better to ask in the more general subforum.
I've been scanning through the M9 forums and haven't found many complaints about the moire effect from them, I also found John Wrights work to be the best of the early examples and he stated this on this blog when asked about his moire concerns.
"A: Personally I’ll be buying the D800E. Moire has been a fact of life using medium format for years. It’s something you deal with IF it appears. I’d prefer to have the extra res." http://www.johnwrightphoto.com/
Im mainly doing travel and street photography and the M9 crowd who do plenty of street work are rarely complaining about moire as an issue. Then theres John Wright who is working with fabrics all day is okay with no AA filter I'd say that's a reasonable argument to take that route. All that plus it's supposed to be a landscapers dream I dont too bad about preordering the 800E.
Am I wrong in thinking that a D800E with much higher resolution than an M9 would have less issues with moire than the M9 or would it just occur at a different frequency?
Jman13 wrote:
I'm sorry, this makes me laugh. The 5D2 doesn't have enough resolution for 13x19 with a little cropping? What are you doing, viewing them with a magnifying glass from 5 inches? A slightly cropped 5D2 file at 19" wide is about 270 dpi. The limit of human vision is around 300 dpi at 12 inches viewing distance, which is way closer than normal viewing distance for a 19" print (around 24 inches is typical viewing distance for a 19" print). So you're saying that a camera that when cropped that can deliver resolution at the limits of human vision isn't good enough. Better tell all those people doing 40" gallery prints with the 5D II that they have to shut their exhibitions down.
This image quality snobbery is just getting out of hand...
I can see wanting the extra resolution if you print really large...I'm sure a 36" print would see a little improvement, and 40-60" prints would see big improvements with this camera, but you aren't going to see a lick of difference between a 5D II and the D800 at 19". ...Show more →
Doubling the pixel count from 5D to 5D2 made a big difference in my prints. That's a fact. No matter what your calculations say, doubling the pixel count again will make a difference at 13x19 where I had to crop more than a little and at larger sizes. I don't know why you call it a snobbery. I was able to make prints with similar quality 25 years ago (albeit using a 6x7 camera) and it wasn't considered anything abnormal then.
So you're saying that a camera that when cropped that can deliver resolution at the limits of human vision isn't good enough. Better tell all those people doing 40" gallery prints with the 5D II that they have to shut their exhibitions down.
I believe that people who actually print these sizes would agree with my previous statement that more resolution would be welcome. The discussion about "limit of human vision" and "typical viewing distance" is questionable and generally worth of elaborating, but I don't feel like spending more time replying to a condescending post.
(Edit: Updated resolution to pixel count per Tariq's comments)
Mirek, you seem to keep repeating this idea that doubling the MP's also doubles the resolution. It takes quadruple (4x) the MP count to double the resolution. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that doubling the MP does not make a big difference in the ability to print big, it does.
RustyBug wrote:
My guess is the ship date is an ultra-conservative way of saying "We can't be sure when we'll start shipping ... because we are somewhere down on the food chain of priority. If you really need it soon, you better buy it from someone who is higher on the list than we are."
Maybe, but they don't bother to do that with my NEX-7 order. They continue to indicate that they are clueless about delivery.
Feb 14, 2012 at 01:16 PM
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I am giving this camera serious consideration, but one big question I have is the availability of something like the S matte viewfinder screens on Canon cameras for manual focussing. I find these very useful and it seems that swapping out the viewfinder screen is not an option on the Nikon cameras. Anyone who share their experience with a D3X or D700 and how they handle manual focussing would be much appreciated.
