p.9 #1 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
bobbytan wrote:
This D800 is one bad-ass camera alright. You get maybe 75% of the IQ the Leica S2 ... at 13% of the cost. What a steal that is! D800 + 14-24G lens is a dream combo for all landscape shooters.
Wake up, Canon ... we need a D800-like body and a 14-24/2.8L lens combo for under $5,000. Nikon has done it ... and so can you. I am seriously tempted to get this Nikon combo just for my landscape needs. For portrait work and wildlife I will be happy with the 5DX or 3DX.
p.9 #2 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
Lars Johnsson wrote:
To be honest and fair. If this was a new Canon body, nearly everyone here would shout about how good the camera is
It's only to congratulate Nikon shooters that they can buy it for a rather low price
Lars, while I understand your point I would point out that there were Canon guys who were not happy with the 1dx; and I was one of them. I have no doubt for my shooting style my 1d4 would produce more keepers than the 1dx or the d800. I mainly shoot with a 500/f4 but also use a 100-400 when I want to travel lighter and my Sigma 300-800 from blinds or if I am able to stop my car and set up a tripod. The 1.3 crop factor of the 1dx, the fast burst rate, deep buffer, and good AF are all factors that increase my keeper rate. Both the 1dx and d800 lack some or all of these features.
You do make a good point about the low price point. But I am reminded about having to wait almost two months after the 1d4 was released before I was able to get one; and it seems like both the 1dx and d800 may require a longer wait. Not to dis the d800 (the samples are impressive) but the shots I saw were not what I would rate as taxing a photographers skill. I shoot BIF, small birds in brush, birds and animals that may quickly pop out of brush and pop back in as quickly.
At the time the 5d, and later 5d2, came out it was clear both were capable of producing nice IQ and had a great price point. The problem was they did not fit my shooting style so did not really interest me. I view both the 1dx and the d800 the same way.
The d800 is a good camera with a great price point, but just not the camera I am looking for.
p.9 #3 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
The d800 has a 1.5 crop 15MP, more reach and nearly the same MP as the 1DX. It also has a crop video function, and the Nikon AF reliability is well documented, 6FPS is decent and it's lighter than the 1DX. With a Sig 300-800, you'd have 450-1200mm reach and excellent ISO b/c of the onboard ADC chip. Don't see where the D800 doesn't meet the needs of a birder.
ragebot wrote:
Lars, while I understand your point I would point out that there were Canon guys who were not happy with the 1dx; and I was one of them. I have no doubt for my shooting style my 1d4 would produce more keepers than the 1dx or the d800. I mainly shoot with a 500/f4 but also use a 100-400 when I want to travel lighter and my Sigma 300-800 from blinds or if I am able to stop my car and set up a tripod. The 1.3 crop factor of the 1dx, the fast burst rate, deep buffer, and good AF are all factors that increase my keeper rate. Both the 1dx and d800 lack some or all of these features.
You do make a good point about the low price point. But I am reminded about having to wait almost two months after the 1d4 was released before I was able to get one; and it seems like both the 1dx and d800 may require a longer wait. Not to dis the d800 (the samples are impressive) but the shots I saw were not what I would rate as taxing a photographers skill. I shoot BIF, small birds in brush, birds and animals that may quickly pop out of brush and pop back in as quickly.
At the time the 5d, and later 5d2, came out it was clear both were capable of producing nice IQ and had a great price point. The problem was they did not fit my shooting style so did not really interest me. I view both the 1dx and the d800 the same way.
The d800 is a good camera with a great price point, but just not the camera I am looking for. ...Show more →
p.9 #4 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
If I could sell all of my Canon gear right now I would. I have a 5D mark 2 and a bunch of L lenses. I have always shot Canon. One time I was in a position to shoot a Nikon D3 and when I did I was stunned by how dramatically better the autofocus was. For the first time in my life I felt like I was using inferior gear owning all Canon. The Nikon AF was that good. Now I see the side by side samples put out by Nikon (which are phenomenal) and Canon (which are embarrassingly poor) I want to dump my gear and make the switch I knew I should have all along and go Nikon cover to cover.
Compare the Canon 1Dx to the Nikon D800 side by side and you will see what I mean.
p.9 #12 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
Exactly! Especially if you compare the Canon Image 1 portrait sample to this one from the D800. The detail and sharpness is simply ASTOUNDING. No contest.
Tom K. wrote:
If I could sell all of my Canon gear right now I would. I have a 5D mark 2 and a bunch of L lenses. I have always shot Canon. One time I was in a position to shoot a Nikon D3 and when I did I was stunned by how dramatically better the autofocus was. For the first time in my life I felt like I was using inferior gear owning all Canon. The Nikon AF was that good. Now I see the side by side samples put out by Nikon (which are phenomenal) and Canon (which are embarrassingly poor) I want to dump my gear and make the switch I knew I should have all along and go Nikon cover to cover.
Compare the Canon 1Dx to the Nikon D800 side by side and you will see what I mean.
p.9 #13 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
anandnvi wrote:
Speaking just for myself, the Nikon files have more of a film look to them. The Canon ones are more sterile.
Which is why I shoot 100% film. Cheaper than the D800E.
Though with MUCH lower resolution, unless you are shooting medium format or larger. And modern DSLRs outresolve most medium format films starting around 16 MP.
p.9 #15 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
pookipichu wrote:
The d800 has a 1.5 crop 15MP, more reach and nearly the same MP as the 1DX. It also has a crop video function, and the Nikon AF reliability is well documented, 6FPS is decent and it's lighter than the 1DX. With a Sig 300-800, you'd have 450-1200mm reach and excellent ISO b/c of the onboard ADC chip. Don't see where the D800 doesn't meet the needs of a birder.
I did a little comparison of the 7D vs. a 1DsMKIII using the same lens. The 7D was a little better when reach was an issue, but it was pretty darn close even though the 1DsMKIII only had 8mpx (vs 18 mpx for the 7D) in the 1.6x crop area. Plus, this was absolutely optimal conditions for the 7D. I am quite curious to see how those D800 pixels look. Yes samples are up, but I am looking forward to a proper comparison (same picture, good processing, etc. )
p.9 #16 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
I have been waiting for the 5D3 for a few years. I am a lifetime Canon user, but I just pre-ordered the 800E at B&H.
Still hoping Canon will counterwith the 5d3 before the Nikon ships. I don't want to sell my 45 TSE, 90 TSE, 85 1.2, 24-70, 70-200, all really great lenses.
But I have been waiting for more MP since my 1DsII. And no AA filter. I could never justify MFDB cost, but was stuck in between, just waiting.
FWIW, I have had Mamiya 7II, Mamiya 645AD, Bronica, Pentax 645N, plus 6 4x5 cameras, so no real concern about brand. I did own a Nikon once - in 1982 - for 4 months, otherwise I have been all Canon since 1977 for 35mm.
p.9 #17 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
Jman13 wrote:
Though with MUCH lower resolution, unless you are shooting medium format or larger. And modern DSLRs outresolve most medium format films starting around 16 MP.
And much HIGHER cost, if you shoot enough film.
I used to spend $5,000 a year on film until I went all digital.
And I was NEVER happy with 35mm film quality. I shot 6x7 film, at $1 per frame. I replaced that in 2004 with a Canon 1DsII and never looked back. The only film I have shot since then is 4x5.
The true cost of ownership of the $8,000 1DsII was $1,500 per year, for the 2 years that I owned it. Purchase price - sales price. So breakeven for me was $1,500/$5,000 = about 4 months.
I would expect the depreciation on the 800E to run about $650 a year for the first 2 years. Buy at $3,300, sell at $2,000 in 2 years. That is equivalent to 650 6x7 images, where I will likely make 25,000 images or more per year.
Even 35mm pro color film & developing costs $.33 a frame, so only 3x650= 1,950 frames to BE. Again, I will take a minimum of 25,000, which would cost $8,000+. Plus all the hassle of scanning, grunge of film, etc.
p.9 #18 · D800, 36mp, af at F8, ect, press release out
mmurph wrote:
I have been waiting for the 5D3 for a few years. I am a lifetime Canon user, but I just pre-ordered the 800E at B&H.
Still hoping Canon will counterwith the 5d3 before the Nikon ships. I don't want to sell my 45 TSE, 90 TSE, 85 1.2, 24-70, 70-200, all really great lenses.
But I have been waiting for more MP since my 1DsII. And no AA filter. I could never justify MFDB cost, but was stuck in between, just waiting.
FWIW, I have had Mamiya 7II, Mamiya 645AD, Bronica, Pentax 645N, plus 6 4x5 cameras, so no real concern about brand. I did own a Nikon once - in 1982 - for 4 months, otherwise I have been all Canon since 1977 for 35mm. ...Show more →
If Canon MGMT has half a brain, they are reading this now. And hopefully pissing their pants.
