The whole thought process of keeping patents "in the pocket" has time and again proved to be fatal for many companies. Kodak for one.
I suppose it is a financial / balance sheet move so they can keep these "innovations" on the books as an asset.
A true market innovation would be to throw it all out on the table, revoloutionize the industry and put CASH on the balance sheet instead of innovations that someone might beat you to the punch at because of a stalled research and hold approach.
Apple is holding 96 billion in cash because they innovate and push to market. I'm not an apple fan boy but their stock and products sell like crazy and their fan loyalty is second to none.
As much as I love Canon, I think their "market approach" is quite flawed.
Jan 26, 2012 at 02:14 PM
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misternikko wrote:
lol. its really simple and has been said before. there is no reason a camera costing 3x or 4x the price of a rebel should have the same crummy 9pt AF as a rebel. We arent ONLY paying more for FF...we'd like a side of AF too
regardless of how well some can use the other points, they're still crappy compared to the outer points on say a 7D...which is about 1/2 the price.
5D3 needs at least 7D AF to be worth an upgrade.
We heard exactly the same thing when the 5D was replaced with the 5DII. And the new camera was a great succes and Canon sold so many......ans still do So I guess it was good and people liked it.
Every new body that is released have the same talk here. People want it to be 95% of the most expensive 1Ds (today 1Dx) but they only like to pay 30% of it.
eosfun wrote:
The landscape is gonna change ..... but it's coming from a different corner most are expecting it to
come from.
Are you thinking of Sony? They seem very aggressive with their sensor technology and other features like the translucent mirror. But Canon would obviously be aware that Sony is a giant, so are you thinking of someone else, like FUJIfun?
Which Nikon body are you referring to? The D700? I had that before. Although the outer AF points of the D700 were better and more responsive than that of the 5D Mark II but the center AF point of the 5D Mark II is better and more responsive that that of the D700. AF-wise, take your pick. IQ-wise, there is no comparison, in my book the 5D Mark II wins hands down. At the end, I chose 5D Mark II and sold off my Nikon gear.
Jan 26, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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M Vers wrote:
And most people who own or have experience with the 5DII also understand that it's peripheral points are unreliable/inaccurate and perform as well as a rebel's.
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
Nikon should have at least 90% of the buyers when they are so much better.........
Lars Johnsson wrote:
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
Simple. Because it was the best Canon had to offer without going to a 1 Series, and most people don't want to go to the trouble of jumping ship.
Other people (like me) bought it in hopes that the AF wasn't as bad as they heard, then found out for themselves that it was, and sold it.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
Nikon should have at least 90% of the buyers when they are so much better.........
Lars, I have owned 4 5D's and 2 5DII's plus a 1Ds3 and currently 6 other Canon dslrs's. I'm in the Canon system.
But the fact is the prosumer AF is severely lacking.
I cannot put any of my 5DII's on a tripod in portrait orientation and rely on the AF points that lie over the subject's eyes. That's just not good enough.
Jan 26, 2012 at 02:27 PM
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dhphoto wrote:
Lars, I have owned 4 5D's and 2 5DII's plus a 1Ds3 and currently 6 other Canon dslrs's. I'm in the Canon system.
But the fact is the prosumer AF is severely lacking.
I cannot put any of my 5DII's on a tripod in portrait orientation and rely on the AF points that lie over the subject's eyes. That's just not good enough.
Why would anyone buy 4 5D's and 2 5DII's if they know how bad the cameras are? Why do you keep on buying things you don't like
Lars Johnsson wrote:
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
Nikon should have at least 90% of the buyers when they are so much better.........
It actually is rather interesting. I get it that using the center AF point is good enough for landscape and anything with a large DOF, but not being able to lock focus on a point on the rule of thirds with a shallow DOF on this level of a camera? Huh? But most owners of a 5D doesn't care, I think you right in that.
It just reminds me of the old Nikon F I have here: Manual focus by a split screen dead in the center.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
Nikon should have at least 90% of the buyers when they are so much better.........
Lars Johnsson wrote:
So why have the 5D and 5DII been such incredible best sellers in FF ? If most people understand how unreliable/inaccurate they are?
High mp count. Affordable FF. Lack of competition.
Nikon should have at least 90% of the buyers when they are so much better.........
5D vs -- : Nikon did not have a competitor
5DII vs D700 : High mp count + Video
It's really that simple. That said, once Nikon ups resolution and adds video features I can guarantee you will see a large jump in sales. But I suppose you will disagree with me on this as well...
Jan 26, 2012 at 02:39 PM
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Yes it would be great with a new 5D3 that was 30+ MP. Pro AF, dual card slots and so on. And it should cost 1/3 of the 1Dx..........But we all know that will not happen
Lars has a point, we just can't have the best for less maybe some AF improvement but can't be old/new 1Dseries goodness. Don't expect your keeper rate is the same
Lars Johnsson wrote:
Yes it would be great with a new 5D3 that was 30+ MP. Pro AF, dual card slots and so on. And it should cost 1/3 of the 1Dx..........But we all know that will not happen
What part won't happen, Lars? The performance part or the price part? I hope not both...
Jan 26, 2012 at 02:53 PM
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Are you thinking of Sony? They seem very aggressive with their sensor technology and other features like the translucent mirror. But Canon would obviously be aware that Sony is a giant, so are you thinking of someone else, like FUJIfun?
You are still too much thinking in photo related manufacturers. Think Samsung fun, or Apple fun, HTC fun, or one of the Chinese camera manufacturers if they decide to bring their own designs instead of assembling eventually after they buy a well reputed brand. If you think of camera manufacturers think of Cosina, Sigma, (new) Polaroid, etc. Or Kodak under new ownership and management. When one of these manufacturers decides the time has come to implement totally different technology than what the photomanufacturers bring to us now. What electronics giants will add is integral media and communications modules in one piece of gear. And they do recognize the (latent) market for social media related cameratechnology. The outsiders in the photomarket like Cosina and Sigma may seek their growth opportunities by a new integration philosophy of their current business of photographic components. This could also be a new way for 'classic' media companies like Kodak or Polaroid who recognize that the new "film" is Internet bits.
The lack of a vision on integration from current camera manufacturers is the threat for EOSfun, and other kinds of photofun. But who cares if one of those other companies will lead us to the new level of "multimediafun"
eosfun wrote:
You are still too much thinking in photo related manufacturers. Think Samsung fun, or Apple fun, HTC fun, or one of the Chinese camera manufacturers if they decide to bring their own designs instead of assembling eventually after they buy a well reputed brand. If you think of camera manufacturers think of Cosina, Sigma, (new) Polaroid, etc. Or Kodak under new ownership and management. When one of these manufacturers decides the time has come to implement totally different technology than what the photomanufacturers bring to us now. What electronics giants will add is integral media and communications modules in one piece of gear. And they do recognize the (latent) market for social media related cameratechnology. The outsiders in the photomarket like Cosina and Sigma may seek their growth opportunities by a new integration philosophy of their current business of photographic components. This could also be a new way for 'classic' media companies like Kodak or Polaroid who recognize that the new "film" is Internet bits.
The lack of a vision on integration from current camera manufacturers is the threat for EOSfun, and other kinds of photofun. But who cares if one of those other companies will lead us to the new level of "multimediafun" ...Show more →
Interesting thoughts! But maybe the solution for the very conservative EOSsan is just to enable the camera to communicate easily with your Apple fun / Android fun phone via bluetooth and an App?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
You can only get one part If the price is 1/3, the performance will not be Pro. Or the other way around...............
If you read the thread it's not so much speculation. From most people it's more like a wish-list
Gimme the performance then and I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for it. Of course, the definition of reasonable will vary widely. For sure, I am willing to pay more than the original 5D Mark II, inevitably so since the exchange rate favors a higher US$ price anyway. I would say a 30MP body, pro AF, dual card slots (meeh, I am OK, even with only a single card slot), let's say for $3,500-$3,990 or so?
