p.5 #1 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Lars Johnsson wrote:
But why do you keep all your equipment if the Nex is so fantastic. Because 95% of the equipment that I see in your profile is impossible to carry in your pocket
Nex is fantastic for me for hiking and travelling light. Not so much for wildlife, and I love my 5D2 for most everything else!
Maybe I just have the biggest pockets you have ever seen. You don't know.
p.5 #5 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Personally...a camera either fits in my pocket (my G10) or it doesn't. If it doesn't then it might as well be anything that fits in a reasonably sized bag if out for a 'casual' shoot.....or whatever it takes for serious stuff!!
I recently bought a small 'designer' canvas bag in a sale that neatly takes two camera...my G10 in one bag pocket and a film rangefinder in the other. I get a lot of satisfaction (and good images up to A3 print size) from both. Only the G10 fits into a pocket however....otherwise I'd be taking the RF out a lot more...
p.5 #6 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
robsuh wrote:
The Olympus E-P3 with Oly 12mm f/2 looks pretty sexy. I'm tempted to sell some canon gear for that kit. So yes, I would say in certain cases you could be missing something.
I think the m4/3 and Nikon (!) is on the right track with the smaller sensors and consequently smaller lenses. The NEX system look ridiculous with the huge lenses attached to the smaller body. Though admittedly the NEX-7 looks awesome.
Wait until Feb 3rs when the Olympus OM-D is announced as it will be weather sealed, and have integrated EVF, 5-axis IBIS and the 16MP GX1 sensor. Also off potentially even bigger news is the new Pentax EVIL camera using the K5's APS-C sensor. This will be announced early February too I've heard.
I think the IQ of the mirrorless brigade is no longer a restriction to worry about. IQ is clearly excellent with any of them and it doesn't have to equal a 5D II + 85L to still make it a very good camera. Any of them would make me happy.
p.5 #7 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Sven Jeppesen wrote:
It's good fun for you taking photo's all the time. But for the person you went to dinner or walk with it's really boring
And how could all the people here that must have a mirrorless in the pocket manage before those cameras started to sell
Pocket cameras have been popular for decades. You must be too young to remember the ubiquitous point 'n shoot cameras from the 80s and 90s. Prior to that most cameras were larger but I actually owned a tiny Olympus Pen half-frame in the late 60s inherited from gramps. I recall in the early 90s always having my Olympus Epic in my pocket and later an APS Elf. In the new millennium I rolled with a Digital Elf (with CF card!), S90 and finally an EP-3 that doesn't really fit in my pocket. But if it did, I bet I'd get more dates!
p.5 #8 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
mco_970 wrote:
People bore each other after being married for about 100 years it feels like? It's just the way it goes. We talk about football and computer programming to his hearts content, a minute or two to snap a photo is not too much to ask. I did not marry an impatient jerk, and neither did he. So it's all good.
Cheers,
Michelle
So how did you manage before you had a mirrorless then? You didn't say that
p.5 #9 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Wait until Feb 3rs when the Olympus OM-D is announced as it will be weather sealed, and have integrated EVF, 5-axis IBIS and the 16MP GX1 sensor. Also off potentially even bigger news is the new Pentax EVIL camera using the K5's APS-C sensor. This will be announced early February too I've heard.
I think the IQ of the mirrorless brigade is no longer a restriction to worry about. IQ is clearly excellent with any of them and it doesn't have to equal a 5D II + 85L to still make it a very good camera. Any of them would make me happy....Show more →
If the Olympus company still exist then? Or haven't been bought by another brand
p.5 #10 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Gochugogi wrote:
Pocket cameras have been popular for decades. You must be too young to remember the ubiquitous point 'n shoot cameras from the 80s and 90s. Prior to that most cameras were larger but I actually owned a tiny Olympus Pen half-frame in the late 60s inherited from gramps. I recall in the early 90s always having my Olympus Epic in my pocket and later an APS Elf. In the new millennium I rolled with a Digital Elf (with CF card!), S90 and finally an EP-3 that doesn't really fit in my pocket. But if it did, I bet I'd get more dates! ...Show more →
Actually I own the really small Minox camera in my film days. That was a small good pocket camera. Not big and clumsy like the Nex bodies with their lenses
p.5 #11 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Sven Jeppesen wrote:
So how did you manage before you had a mirrorless then? You didn't say that
I carried a sh*tty P&S and was happy to have it. Before digital, a sh#tty film compact, can't remember the name of it but it was sooo cool back in the day.
Now happy to be carrying a ridonculous unwieldy NEX out and about. It fits in my bag just fine, I leave the curling iron at home.
p.5 #12 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
mco_970 wrote:
I love having high IQ pics of when DH and I go out for special events. My family album is smashingly well done with big prints, and I'd like to keep it that way.
Yes maybe your family album is smashingly well done with big prints from your Nex 5N. But it must be a bit boring to only have those smashingly well done big prints from a few months back because it have not existed long............for a family album
p.5 #13 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Sven Jeppesen wrote:
Yes maybe your family album is smashingly well done with big prints from your Nex 5N. But it must be a bit boring to only have those smashingly well done big prints from a few months back because it have not existed long............for a family album
Oh, that burn was so long winded I lost the thread that you were getting at.
Let's see, immediately before NEX? D-Rebel for a compact. Before that, m4/3. Before that, 4/3 body with a small lens. Before that, digital P&S's. Whatever I thought best fitting compact for the time. I do wish some of the older digital photos would print up better, though. A MP seemed amazing at one time.
I hope whatever is in store for the future makes NEX look like a dog, and honestly, I hope it comes from Canon. For now, NEX is great fun, though.
p.5 #14 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Wait until Feb 3rs when the Olympus OM-D is announced as it will be weather sealed, and have integrated EVF, 5-axis IBIS and the 16MP GX1 sensor. Also off potentially even bigger news is the new Pentax EVIL camera using the K5's APS-C sensor. This will be announced early February too I've heard.
I think the IQ of the mirrorless brigade is no longer a restriction to worry about. IQ is clearly excellent with any of them and it doesn't have to equal a 5D II + 85L to still make it a very good camera. Any of them would make me happy....Show more →
Yep, a camera with you always makes a better photo than one sitting on the shelf because you didn't want the hassle of carrying it. The recent cameras and the newly announced ones will not disappoint with image quality.
p.5 #16 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
Sven Jeppesen wrote:
The whole concept that "you must carry a camera with you all the time" is just a bit silly. And that that camera must fit inside your pocket. And also have very good image quality.
When I go to dinner with my wife, I don't have to bring a camera in my pocket. And stop eating or walking now and then to do photography for 15 minutes while she is waiting
I also play football and guitar. But I don't bring any of those with me all the time
I think it's silly for you to imply that I said I "must" carry a camera with me "all the time.' I take a camera with me ,pst "most place" I go "most" of the time because I want to. Not because I must. And I don't think that's silly at all.
I certainly don't stop eating dinner with my wife and go spend 15 minutes doing photography. I reality I usually never take the camera out of my pocket. But if I do happen to come across something I want to make a photograph of, ti certainly doesn't take me 15 minutes to do so. 60 seconds or less is all it takes.
p.5 #17 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
artd wrote:
I think it's silly for you to imply that I said I "must" carry a camera with me "all the time.' I take a camera with me ,pst "most place" I go "most" of the time because I want to. Not because I must. And I don't think that's silly at all.
I certainly don't stop eating dinner with my wife and go spend 15 minutes doing photography. I reality I usually never take the camera out of my pocket. But if I do happen to come across something I want to make a photograph of, ti certainly doesn't take me 15 minutes to do so. 60 seconds or less is all it takes. ...Show more →
Actually you wrote it yourself in your post "" the point is about having a small setup you can easily take with you everywhere all the time""
p.5 #18 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
So, back to the topic... At this moment in time, are we stuck with having to invest in two different camera 'systems' to be able to take quality images? I would like to think that I could sell off all my canon gear, 5DII, L lenses, and flashes and just run with one small compact system. But I would be terrified to shoot a wedding right now with the current run on "mirror-less" or "fuji" type cameras. Is the Fuji X-Pro 1 the 'one' camera that may be able to allow a pro something along these lines? I really don't want to have to shoot Canon for my clients, and have a whole separate fuji-type line for my fun time photography? This brings me, and it sounds like quite a few others, back to square one. Just keeping the DSLR and lugging around 15 pounds of gear for a simple headshot, or image of my kids at the pool....
p.5 #19 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
photoomaha wrote:
So, back to the topic... At this moment in time, are we stuck with having to invest in two different camera 'systems' to be able to take quality images? I would like to think that I could sell off all my canon gear, 5DII, L lenses, and flashes and just run with one small compact system. But I would be terrified to shoot a wedding right now with the current run on "mirror-less" or "fuji" type cameras. Is the Fuji X-Pro 1 the 'one' camera that may be able to allow a pro something along these lines? I really don't want to have to shoot Canon for my clients, and have a whole separate fuji-type line for my fun time photography? This brings me, and it sounds like quite a few others, back to square one. Just keeping the DSLR and lugging around 15 pounds of gear for a simple headshot, or image of my kids at the pool.... ...Show more →
Yes you are stuck with investing in two different systems if are a Pro wedding shooter. You don't like to show up at a wedding with an m4/3 or Nex and a pancake lens
p.5 #20 · Mirrorless craze - Am I missing something?
gdanmitchell wrote:
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Oh, they sure as heck do! Of course, as you point out, they begin by being designed, but I'm unable to think of an interface that is presently highly regarded that remained stuck in its initial form, and I can think of quite a few that evolved substantially over time.
I took your "evolve" to mean exactly that, in the Darwinian sense: random changes which survive or not over time. If that were the way it worked - and it looks like we agree it shouldn't be - it would take many years, perhaps decades, for a decent interface to evolve. In the meantime, a new entrant with a clue would take all, much as Apple did with phones.
I can, however, think of some Japanese camera interfaces that have devolved. Even if a good design is bought in, if there isn't a culture of user interface design it can be death by a thousand misfeatures.
Moving back to the main subject of this thread, I don't plan to get a mirrorless camera as a second kit, because even the mirrorless cameras are intrusively large to carry around in everyday life. Even my smartphone is a problem on hot days when I don't have a shirt pocket. I do have a manbag, but this is Australia and I haven't dared take it out the door after the first time...
