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i have a belly button.


Dec 03, 2011 at 01:52 PM
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luketrot wrote:
Mac's are the BMW's of the computer industry.

err, maybe more like a lexus



Dec 03, 2011 at 05:17 PM
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luketrot wrote:
Mac's are the BMW's of the computer industry.


What? Over rated and driven by %#*kers.

Sorry. Couldn't help myself. And I do use a Mac.

Gordom



Dec 03, 2011 at 07:29 PM
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I have been a PC power user for over 20 years. I always build my own machines, purchased the fastest processor, graphics card etc. and I have encountered over the years lots of heart ache from computer crashes from lack of latest drivers from the parts manufacturer or from windows itself. Some hardware are absolutely useless despite numerous driver and firmware upgrades. I wanted the the fastest and that was the risk I took.

Then about 5 years ago I changed to apple. I purchased the Mac Pro with raid card and 4 hard disk. I hated and regretted it for the first 6 months. Now I have added 2 x 27" iMac, 12" apple air note book and iPhone and iPad to my collection. Everything just works seamlessly. Everything are so beautifully made but most importantly they don't crash or have driver problems, maybe once or twice

Perry



Dec 04, 2011 at 02:28 AM
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I have no particular axe to grind which platform anyone else uses, as far as I am concerned Microsoft and Apple are both large souless corporations out to make as much money as possible - of course.

However, it does interest me just how many of the anti-PC comments are based on how PCs used to be, once upon a time. Yes, Macs have strengths, but so do PCS. Yes, if you are into UNIX Mac is for you, if you like the integration of a Mac fine etc. But PCs offer a much wider range of software and hardware possibilities, don't crash more frequently anymore, and IMHO cost a huge amount less (for many users) but do the same job.

I'm not pro Microsoft, but over the years I have been fairly appalled by the near religious fervour of many Mac users. The Nikon/Canon fanboism is nothing at all in comparison!



Dec 04, 2011 at 02:50 AM
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Big thing with PCs is that are forever wanting to update and restart. Don't get that with the Mac


Dec 04, 2011 at 01:25 PM
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You don't get it with a PC either if you set your prefs intelligently. This doesn't mean that you will never need to update, just that you can take control of it.


Dec 04, 2011 at 02:38 PM
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It's really quite simple; if you are too lazy or busy or maybe just incompetent, and don't want to fiddle with settings and drivers, go with a Mac. For everyone else, getting PC (specifically building your own) should be a no-brainer.


Dec 04, 2011 at 08:15 PM
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shoenberg3 wrote:
It's really quite simple; if you are too lazy or busy or maybe just incompetent, and don't want to fiddle with settings and drivers, go with a Mac. For everyone else, getting PC (specifically building your own) should be a no-brainer.


Really? Now if you use a Mac or dont build your own computer you are either lazy or incompetent? It's really ok that some people use PC and some people use Macs. I don't see why anyone cares about what tools are used by strangers.



Dec 04, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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shoenberg3 wrote:
It's really quite simple; if you are too lazy or busy or maybe just incompetent, and don't want to fiddle with settings and drivers, go with a Mac. For everyone else, getting PC (specifically building your own) should be a no-brainer.


Totally agree.

That's also why I do my own plumbing, electrical work, roofing, car repair, grow/raise my own food, and build all my own furniture. Of course, I also play 16 different instruments, that way I can record myself and not have to buy any music as well.

But you're probably too incompetent to do all that.



Dec 05, 2011 at 02:52 AM
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shoenberg3 wrote:
It's really quite simple; if you are too lazy or busy or maybe just incompetent, and don't want to fiddle with settings and drivers, go with a Mac. For everyone else, getting PC (specifically building your own) should be a no-brainer.


That's funny, because I built my own... Mac. Kinda. That is, I put together an i7-950 (4 cores, 8 logical cores) overclocked to 4 Ghz w/ manual voltage control/memory timings, w/ 12 GB RAM, 5 HDD + 1 SSD, and all the other goodies, hooked up to a 27-inch Apple Cinema Display-- running a paid-for retail copy of OS X Lion (10.7.2).

(I keep a Windows 7 partition on one of the drives... for Steam/games.)

I also have Snow Leopard installed on a netbook (from which I am writing this post). Beside me is a Macbook, an iPad 2, an iPod Touch... and I've had half a dozen machines on the way from a IIsi to a G3 Tower (did I mention I overclocked that using physical jumpers on the motherboard?) to a dual-processor G4 Tower, to multiple generations of Intel iMacs. I prefer my Android-based phone to an iPhone, but iOS based tablet to Android-based tablets (right now, at least).

Here's why I think many of us creative professionals use Macs:

1. By far the most important factor is the OS. It's clean to look at and use. It gets out of the way. Color management (and font management) has been built in-- and seamless-- for generations. I'm going to guess this is the reason for 80% to 90% of us.

2. Legacy factor. Early on, Apple adopted a GUI using a window-based metaphor (no, they didn't invent it). Perhaps as a result of this, visual applications were born and grew up on the Mac operating system. As these have become entrenched cultures, it's difficult to create a critical mass of the same behind competing systems. I'd give this factor less power, but some, in the reason why Macs and creative pros flock together. And once you have an entrenched cohort-- new folks get folded in, both because of culture, and because small things like sending files, collaborating on projects, troubleshooting is easier when you're on the same platform.

3. BSD underpinnings. An even smaller factor (for creative pros), but a lot of coders/designers use OS X because they can pop open a terminal window, setup whatever UNIX based environment needed, and work alongside there day-to-day personal programs.

4. Superficial reasons. It's hard to untangle this from the others, most of all the cleanliness and ease of use of the OS. But there's no doubt that some significant portion of Mac users as a whole buy Macs because of their industrial design (it's purty, no doubt), and because of the economic/social signaling associated with owning a hip product (see: marketing). But, I'd argue that when it comes to real professional users-- this factor is minimal. My income is based on working on my computer (I'm a professional photographer and writer)... I wouldn't take a hit to my income just to look "cool."





Dec 05, 2011 at 03:12 AM
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Um... people need to refresh their reading comprehension skills. "If you are too lazy OR busy OR maybe just incompetent."

I never claimed that all Apple users are incompetent, only some. Other people may be competent -- as you seem to be, based on your irate post -- but just cannot be bothered to fiddle with settings and drivers, as I pointedly noted in my post.

But, you remind me of something that most apple users DO tend to have in common.



Dec 05, 2011 at 07:18 PM
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justruss wrote:
That's funny, because I built my own... Mac. Kinda. That is, I put together an i7-950 (4 cores, 8 logical cores) overclocked to 4 Ghz w/ manual voltage control/memory timings, w/ 12 GB RAM, 5 HDD + 1 SSD, and all the other goodies, hooked up to a 27-inch Apple Cinema Display-- running a paid-for retail copy of OS X Lion (10.7.2).

(I keep a Windows 7 partition on one of the drives... for Steam/games.)

I also have Snow Leopard installed on a netbook (from which I am writing this post). Beside me is a Macbook, an iPad 2, an iPod
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I don't really disagree with any of the points above. I say that people can be either too busy or lazy to fiddle with settings, which is essentially what 1 says.

2 is not of relevance if someone is buying the computer in the present and had no experience in this field in years past (when there WAS a compelling reason for a mac). It is conceivable, as you note, that to "fit in" with the culture that uses apple predominantly, it might be wiser to similarly adopt mac. But, I don't think anyone could claim that this is a completely legitimate reason for why mac is an objectively better choice for somebody.

3 is true but addresses a very small crowd, as you note yourself, partly because in such cases, linux might be a better option.

4, well. I never talked about people's preferences, only about what people SHOULD get, to get the most out of their money and usage. If one has ample resources to burn, then they are free to pursue whatever tickles their fancy, instead of what may be more practical, cheaper, or more useful.


Also realize that I was generalizing and there always ought to be exceptions -- in fact, putting together a system (a very nice one, too) then installing an apple OS would not strictly qualify for having "bought a Mac," which was what I was referring in my initial post.



Dec 05, 2011 at 07:29 PM
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Shoe-- you might be the one who needs to work on the reading comprehension... particularly when you take a look below and see what words I'm emphasizing... (said lightly, not harshly).

The OP asked why he sees EXIF data indicating that most photo pros use Macs. My response to that-- the 4 things I listed/detailed-- isn't written as an argument for why photo pros SHOULD use OS X, but why I think photo pros DO use OS X.

So my #2 factor isn't necessarily an objective argument for why someone should use a Mac-- but is a reason why some people do choose a Mac.

The truth is that I don't really care what people use. But I'm trying to think analytically about why people use what they use (whether I agree with their justifications or not). On the other hand, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about other people choosing to use a workflow/system that you don't agree with.

At a granular level, there are lots of reasons people choose to use what they use-- justifying their uses along a continuum from substance to style to economic/social signaling. This applies to cameras/lenses just as it does with computer systems, choice of vehicle, etc.

Ultimately: Who is to judge where we value different types of utility? If System A is 5% more efficient than System B, but System B makes the user 8% happier on the 8 hrs a day she spends using System B-- it's only for the individual user to decide which she values more, the extra money or the extra happiness. In cases where the user is such that System A is both more efficient and more happiness-inducing... even better! In some cases, System A will be more efficient for Person X, while System A is more efficient for Person Y. Imagine all the combinations!

For most people, arguing over why someone SHOULD use a particular system over another is silly. Trying to figure out why people DO use certain systems is kinda interesting-- and may result in answers ranging from objective measures of increased output, to personal preference (happiness quotient), to superficial matters of fitting in (which, one could argue, are only superficial when considered from certain, specific-perspective angles).

OK. Too much morning coffe!



Dec 06, 2011 at 03:01 AM
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"Arguing over why someone SHOULD use a particular system over another is silly."

Why? That is akin to saying that around 90 percent of Canon or Nikon forums are silly, or most of tech forums online for that matter. Well, maybe they are bit silly at times..

Anyway, I did not misconstrue anything, as you seem to suggest.
I essentially agreed with your analysis about why pros DO use Macs. but since you quoted me, I felt compelled to elaborate upon my opinions in the context of your post (ie I wasn't refuting your observations in any way).

Initially, I just posted a small quip about why most people (referring, at least in my mind, more to the general public not the pros) SHOULD use Macs or PCs -- which, unfortunately, seemed to have brought out acrimony in some people.



Dec 06, 2011 at 03:21 AM
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hondageek wrote:
Personally, I don't know any pros that use Macs...



now you know many (me included)

greg



Dec 08, 2011 at 03:03 AM
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infocusinc wrote:
I purchased the DCS200 to replace film based photography and stat camera screens of B/W prints for the tech publications created by our in house marking department well before that, like early 93 Once we had the bugs worked out, we cranked out parts catalogs and service manuals for conversion vans, boats and RV's by the hundreds with this system, based on a Windows box.


Kudos for being an early implementor, something easier done in an in-house environment where you have tight control of all the production variables to "work the bugs out", things like color management which was added to the Mac OS in 1992 but not to Windows until Win98.

While you were doing that I was managing production at a web printing plant producing 4/C magazines. Digital files were utilized earlier but for smaller photos in the publications we printed but were not "viable replacement" for things like full page bleed cover shots or double-page bleed spread until the capture resolution was greater. Yes the digital files could be blown up that much, but compared to a scanned transparency the IQ sucked. We continued to get transparencies for critical work well into the mid-2000s, in part due to the fact most photos were sourced from Agencies and most photographers were still shooting their critical work on transparency film.





Dec 08, 2011 at 10:13 AM
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There is an entire group of people that place no importance on the aesthetics of anything. They derive no pleasure from their gear other than from a purely utilitarian standpoint. There is a subset of that that places no pleasure on better ergonomics of their equipment.

Wether they cant tell the difference in ergonomics or aesthetics the end result is the same. they don't care. They view the initial outlaw of the money as the primary quality that matters to them.

It really no different than the consumer who says my photo is just as good as the pro photo. If he can't tell, to him it is just as good.

Some people also judge by what their surrounding support network deems important or usefull.

Gamers don't find what content creators find important.

We all have different levels of needs and wants.

Some people prefer Hawaiian shirts ad it has every ones favorite color in it so it must be better.

Some wear all black, even it doesn't fit, as they seem to fit into some group they admire that was wearing black.

What i can tell you is there is a personality type the consistently tells you that the current version is way different than the previous version, all the while comparing it to previous versions of the compteting product.

THe arguments are all the same when people went from mini computers to micro computers. from cpm to dos. from dos to windows. from windows to windows nt based systems (todays windows).

And even in Apple there was sub groups on both sides that went from Apple II to Apple III to Apple GS to Mac, to Mac II. from OS 6 to 7. From 7 to 8. from 8 to 9. Then from 9 to X (10) which completely different. Proprietary to Unix based.

Many people buy premium brand photo gear, yet have non premium brand everything else. Others have all premium.

Some are infused completely and have a mix. Example great camera. cheap lens. cheap tripod.

Or the guy with the giant flash and kit zoom. WHen he could have bought a nice prime and a used camera.


What hasn't changed is there is always people of the leading edge of style, function, form, and creating content. These people are attacked by the masses that don't get it. thats what lonely at the top means.



Dec 08, 2011 at 04:45 PM
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luketrot wrote:
Mac's are the BMW's of the computer industry.

BS, a Mac runs much better than a BMW. People don't just by Mac's for the name, they actually work, past the time that the warranty expires.





Dec 08, 2011 at 04:49 PM
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I switched over to Mac's when Tiger was the OS. I was a PC person all the way. I was running XP but beta testing Vista. The one thing that really struck me was how much Vista was a take off from Lion except is was such a poor rendition. I know Vista was not a great OS and Win7 is way better.

I am getting on in years and need to spend my time on my photo business and messing around with PC's which really caused the switch. It is nice that most of the time they really work the same day in day out. Yes they are still a piece of electronics and they do go wrong except not as often as they use higher end components than the standard PC maker.

I was running an iMac that was 2.1/2 years old. Fortunately I did have the $150 extended warranty. It started to go wrong. After swapping out the video card twice they decided the issue was with the system board. They said I had a choice as they knew I needed a machine for my business. I could continue with the repair or just come in to the store and pick up a brand new machine. Sorry, that alone is worth more than anything. As well as that I got a refund on the balance of the warranty.

The OS comes as standard with all the drivers. You want to view Raw files, it is part of the OS. If you want office it will only cost $120 for a full version and that is from Microsoft. Glossy monitors were a concern until I started to use one. There are lots of apps out there now so there is no reason to go back. I do run Parallels to run Windows as there is one app that I need that is Windows only. The remote for my TV system.



Dec 08, 2011 at 04:52 PM
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