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p.2 #1 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


kavawavaphoto wrote:
Andy, may I ask how much you picked up the 800mm and 500mm for? Just looking at what kind of price range we're talking about here.

Send you a PN



Oct 07, 2011 at 04:12 PM
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p.2 #2 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


Sometimes as with this lens the camera is secondary. But I would put a used Canon 1D Mark II/III with the 1.25 crop and gain much better image quality and much better autofocus performance and controls for shooting vertically and still use standard CF cards.

Often with a big lens mounted with a camera on a tripod one still wants to have another camera slung off the shoulder with a shorter lens. No reason why the one on the telephoto could not be a Canon.

Real issue is the need for a Canon 580EX II strobe but that too is not a big deal if you got a great price on this exceptional lens.

I shot two weddings using a 1D Mark III with a 580EX II strobe and a D3 with the SB800 and it was not any more difficult than when I later shot with the D3 and the D300 with their different controls layout.

The autofocus on the Canon 1D Mark III is as good or better than that of the D3. The 1D Mark II N model also has excellent autofocus but a sensor with fewer pixels and an older autofocus system that is not quite as good in low light situations. The Mark III also is great up to ISO 3200 while the Mark II is best kept at ISO 1250 or less. The Mark III is worth the extra money.

As Nikon has nothing comparable for bird photography in particular and if it releases a new 800mm telephoto it is likely to be 15-20% more expensive than the Canon version, I would not hesitate to expand your investment in Canon with a 1D Mark III and a 580EX II (or Metz) strobe.



Oct 08, 2011 at 04:23 PM
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p.2 #3 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


Tom, if I ever found a lens like that for $5 I would be thinking about what kind of good camera would work best behind that glass,, why not try a few rentals of different bodies for a weekend and see what they can offer for ease of operation,,

certainly understand the manual focusing, I have shot many photos through a TV85 telescope and the dof is so minimal but time on the job certainly offered me many outstanding photos,,

Derry



Oct 09, 2011 at 10:30 AM
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p.2 #4 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


With the newest patent from Nikon for an AF-S 800mm f5.6, there just might be a few of the old lenses on the market soon!


Oct 10, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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p.2 #5 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


I own the 800mm Canon with a Nikon mount - the mount was already on it when I bought it so I don't know the precise cost of the conversion but it does take wonderful shots on my D3s, FWIW.


Oct 12, 2011 at 04:16 PM
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p.2 #6 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


Trey Neal wrote:
I own the 800mm Canon with a Nikon mount - the mount was already on it when I bought it so I don't know the precise cost of the conversion but it does take wonderful shots on my D3s, FWIW.


Thank you for your reply! Do you have any photos of the lens, particularly of the mount, you could share with us?



Oct 12, 2011 at 04:18 PM
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p.2 #7 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


This thread is useless without pictures (of the moon!)

Would be cool to see what you got of jupiter and its moons too. It's very bright right now.



Oct 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM
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posten wrote:
This thread is useless without pictures (of the moon!)

Would be cool to see what you got of jupiter and its moons too. It's very bright right now.


I should have pics of the mount and the moon later today!



Oct 13, 2011 at 01:32 PM
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p.2 #9 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


Trey Neal wrote:
I own the 800mm Canon with a Nikon mount - the mount was already on it when I bought it so I don't know the precise cost of the conversion but it does take wonderful shots on my D3s, FWIW.


You mean the new AF 800/5.6 Canon released about 3-4 years ago?



Oct 13, 2011 at 01:40 PM
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p.2 #10 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


kavawavaphoto wrote:
Also, custom machining the mount to match a Nikon camera seems to be a very nice option (and understandably expensive). Would you know anyone online or elsewhere that have this service available? Honestly, I got the lens for $5, I think I can splurge on the mount.


Tom, sorry that I'm late to this party, as I think a straightforward answer exists. There is indeed a very good company that specializes in this kind of thing: SKGrimes, a company that quite accurately calls itself "The photographer's machinist." http://www.skgrimes.com/

Not long ago, a friend of mine sent them an oldish 500mm Canon lens that he wanted to mount on a modern Canon DSLR. They needed to remove the old camera mount, machine a few millimeters off the barrel to account for the current flange focal distance, and attach a modern camera mount. Iirc, the work cost about $400, and the lens works like a champ. This job seems fairly similar to what you would need. I've worked with SKGrimes myself, and would definitely call them to discuss this project. As you've noted, your lens is absolutely worth this kind of investment.

If you go this route, I might as well add a few caveats. In the case of my friend's lens, he went with a mechanical connection only, not an electronic one. I don't know if SKGrimes could "chip" your lens of not, but I would not see the need. Also, with my friend's lens, he was initially disappointed with the conversion because his first images with the newly-converted lens lacked contrast. This took us about five minutes to correct. The cause was internal flare--light was bouncing around the lens barrel near the camera, and apparently hitting the sensor. So we cut a piece of Protostar flocking material (http://www.protostar.biz/flock.htm), rolled it into a tube, and stuck it inside the barrel as a lining. Presto, problem solved. If this hadn't worked, we would have added a "flare-cut stop"--simply a piece of carboard or whatever we had available, with a window cut in it about the shape and size of the sensor, placed in the lens barrel to block light from the sides of the barrel hitting the sensor. I suspect, but don't know, that the lens originally had such a stop, and that it needed to be removed during the conversion.

If you do this, I hope you'll let us know how it goes.

Cheers,

--Chris



Oct 14, 2011 at 02:22 PM
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p.2 #11 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


Hey Chris,
No problem, thanks very much for the info! I did contact SK Grimes and they gave me an estimate of around $450 to convert it with a 6-8wk lead time.

As for the flocking, that's a great idea. When I used the lens on my 40D, I did notice that I had to bump up the contrast in LR to get a punchy image. All the detail was there (no sharpening needed), but the image lacked the deep black areas that increase apparent sharpness.

I'm currently looking for someone to CLA the lens, there is some internal dust on one of the elements. Then I was going to ship it over to SK Grimes for conversion. It will be a long, expensive, and drawn out process but I think it will be worth it.

thanks!
Tom



Oct 14, 2011 at 02:30 PM
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p.2 #12 · 800mm Long Lens Dilemma


http://nikonrumors.com/2011/10/09/nikons-patent-for-a-800mm-f5-6-lens.aspx/

Nikon filed a patent for a 800mm VR. It should sell for more than $14,000.



Oct 19, 2011 at 07:38 PM
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