very right. And looking at the sample images at iso100...it really looks good. I hope the price is right.
sjms wrote:
i prefer the manual zoom vs the motor driven type (i still have my minolta Dimage A1) and i actually do use the optical viewfinder too. i find this more asthetically pleasing in use at times. now i did say "looks" and my attitude (for or against) towards it may change when i get to handle it at the photo show in nyc on the 27th of this month.
yes it would be nice to have a 24 at the bottom end but i have a G12 and 28 is where i am at
200mm i really don't need on this type of camera too.
i am also hoping that it has a less then soap on a rope feel as does the XZ1
more tactile controls to work with rather then tripping through the cascading menu system for some of the more used.
i'll pay the extra $100 if the functionality i want and like is there....Show more →
VinnieJ wrote:
If I was in the market for a P&S I'd be all over it.
Is this the first P&S that cost more than a DSLR kit? Fuji x100 or Leica x1 doesn't count because the size of their sensors.
Not really that expensive, its $599
Canon G12 was/is (amazon prices goes up and down) $499
Olympus XZ1 when I first bought mine was $499
Nikon P7000 was $449
I believe the LX5 was actually $499 when it came out too, now $399 or less
Don't forgot the Leica DLux line of rebadged Panasonics, $799 for the DLUX5, which is a LX5 really minus the grip, with a copy of a LR and a red dot for an extra $400
None of those are "cheap" cameras but an extra $100 for the X10, given its unique features, build quality etc seems perfectly fair to me. I ordered one. Actually got it for $569 via Amazon
FlyPenFly wrote:
Pretty interesting camera, im curious to how the exr sensors resolve fine detail at max resolution. The lens certainly seems great.
That said the lx5 is still compelling as its still the widest in its class.
Older EXR's sometimes had a little less resolution, but then again, if one really cares about resolution why would they be shooting a glorified P&S when so many other options are on the market these days. For the same money theres the 16meg NEX5n, which with good glass is a resolution monster in a tiny little package.
Makes pixel peeping X10 images seem like a waste of time IMHO
What the X10 is, is a p&s, but one that due to some nice manual controls like EC dial, manual zoom ring, OVF etc, should be far more fun to shoot. Even when I'm just taking snapshots for Facebook etc while on holiday, I still enjoy having a camera that handles well. I don't like menu's, 3 button combos to get some EC etc.
It was on one of those "gold box" deals at the bottom of the home page where they make a few suggestions they think my interest you based upon things you've looked at or bought before and sometimes with special pricing. $569 in this case
Be interesting to see if any of the various ultra wide adapters, perhaps Panasonics own one for the LX5 or a Raynox .66x etc would work on the X10 with a threaded adapter
Sure they would as they also would cut off some light and add flare. Plus adding a chunk of glass in front of this camera will change it's portability entirely.
However, back to the LX3/5, their 24mm wide end is not only wider, it is also as fast (and faster) and sharp across the frame.
I really like the idea of the manual zoom here, but wonder if that will make the focusing hunt too much.
dasrocket wrote:
Sure they would as they also would cut off some light and add flare. Plus adding a chunk of glass in front of this camera will change it's portability entirely.
However, back to the LX3/5, their 24mm wide end is not only wider, it is also as fast (and faster) and sharp across the frame.
I really like the idea of the manual zoom here, but wonder if that will make the focusing hunt too much.
Well of course an adapter would affect the portability, just like it does if you use one of the LX3/5. But, if you want to get around 18mm equiv, its a compromise you have to make.
I've used the Panasonic one on my LX5 before and I really notice no vignetting or flare problems with it though. Its surprisingly good honestly and being able to take the camera to 18mm for trips where I know I may want to shoot wide is a nice option to have.
I agree as well that the wide end on the LX5 is very good, but have you seen proof that the X10 is soft in the corners at the wide end or something ??
Both are f2.0, and its a difference of 24 vs 28mm equiv, on top of the 4:3 native aspect ratio vs 16:9 and 3:2 also there due to multiaspect sensor on the LX5, which is a pretty cool feature.
If 24mm is a must have, then I guess it would rule out the X10, or a G12, or XZ1 etc.
I certainly would of liked the X10 to be something like 21mm to 90mm equiv if I had my way, but I think I can live with 28 pretty well as I really don't shoot wide that often.
Would be nice if I could get decent results with an adapter though for my minimal needs
It is always amusing to come across one of these old posts discussing a camera that is now 'established' and much admired!!
What is slightly alarming is that it is almost seen now as 'yesterdays' model.....prices have fallen hard.....and the talk is all about the G1X.........
