Makten wrote:
Yes, there is a point when camera shake will affect the image less than the added noise of higher ISO. So from ISO 200-1600 I let auto-ISO work at 1/40, but when that isn't enough I'd rather go down to 1/20 or so than using ISO 3200. Which unfortunately isn't possible without digging into the menues since exposure compensation doesn't work in manual mode even with auto-ISO. If the bloody camera would NOT overexpose everything, it would work.
Nope, not with auto-ISO engaged.
I see. So exposure compensation does not work with Auto-ISO on? This camera sounds like it is a maze of little incompatible modes. I had great hopes for it, but I keep hearing about weird things like this. I think I will wait for them to fix things, or for something better.
This is what led me to believe the ooc film simulation colors were much much worse than they actually are as I had Adobe RGB set for the in camera color profile. This does not affect raw at all of course but for jpegs basically the preferred Adobe RGB setting in camera is screwed up and will require a firmware fix. Yet another quirk! For me at least, the pluses still far outweigh the minor quirks with the X100.
Here are a few quick examples showing the jpeg color profile issue. These side by side shots should look pretty much identical as the only difference between each (besides minor framing differences) was the color profile selected for jpeg in the camera.
First up, STD Provia setting. On the left showing neon green grass was shot with Adobe RGB set in camera and the one on the right was set to SRGB in camera. http://www.gibranstudio.com/x100b.jpg
This is what led me to believe the ooc film simulation colors were much much worse than they actually are as I had Adobe RGB set for the in camera color profile. This does not affect raw at all of course but for jpegs basically the preferred Adobe RGB setting in camera is screwed up and will require a firmware fix. Yet another quirk! For me at least, the pluses still far outweigh the minor quirks with the X100.
Here are a few quick examples showing the jpeg color profile issue. These side by side shots should look pretty much identical as the only difference between each (besides minor framing differences) was the color profile selected for jpeg in the camera.
First up, STD Provia setting. On the left showing neon green grass was shot with Adobe RGB set in camera and the one on the right was set to SRGB in camera. http://www.gibranstudio.com/x100b.jpg
Hmmm. Just checked mine and it was already set to sRGB. I have been converting most of my pics anyway to B&W in Silver Efex Pro 2 as most of mine just didn't look good in color and I am even using Velvia with the color set to high...
bigkidneys wrote:
Hmmm. Just checked mine and it was already set to sRGB. I have been converting most of my pics anyway to B&W in Silver Efex Pro 2 as most of mine just didn't look good in color and I am even using Velvia with the color set to high...
Hmm, setting the color to High AND using the Velvia setting would not surprise me if the colors did not look "good" as that's a pretty extreme combo.
The STD/ Provia setting will come pretty close to neutral and the RAW file IF you use the SRGB setting for the jpeg.
Since you were already using SRGB setting in camera, you would not have experienced the problem.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, it will be higher resolution and likely better all the way around. It will still be an EVF though that will still suffer from slight delays and, of course, will not match reality regarding color, dynamic range, etc.
I literally tried the EVF in the x100 one time to see how it was and have not turned it on since! I'm sure in very dim to dark situations it will come in handy but that bright optical finder with the info overlay and very bright white frame lines to me is the best solution I have seen. I also really love seeing what is just outside the frame. I think that greatly helps with composition. Fuji nailed it with this finder....Show more →
About the Sony EVF I found this quote from Alpha Mount World interesting...
Sony's OLED EVF "TruFinder" is full of information, the image above represents only a fraction of how it can be configured. First test was indoors, and was I ever impressed immediately. Like a little kid using a new toy, I panned around right away to see how fast the EVF could keep up to organic movement, and it never skipped a beat. Never. It's a seamless instant viewing experience. It was bright, large, vibrant, detailed, and FAST. The measurable lag is not something you feel when you look through that EVF, its simply too little lag to make any practical difference, heck even indoors in dim lighting. I figured that would be the biggest test of the EVF- indoors, and it passed with flying colors (no pun intended). ...Show more →
and...
Rant Interlude- I had my wife take a look through the viewfinder, she was unaware that the new cameras didn't have optical viewfinders. She's owned her own KM7D for a few months now that has a very decent optical finder -so she's no stranger to using an optical finder. For the first minute or so, she just commented on how large the view was in the A77 and how much information was displayed. Then it hit her, and she asked me how the viewfinder auto dimmed and brightened on its own and how all that information was on the screen. It was then that I revealed to her that it was an electronic viewfinder, not an optical one."Wow" she exclaimed....Show more →
Everyone has different standards though. He goes on to complain about the crushed shadows though that can give the false sense that areas will be totally black or near it. Hopefully Sony will allow the end user to mess with the contrast settings of the EVF in camera to deal with this. With that said I can't wait till the A77 is physically in stores so I can experience the EVF myself.
Everyone has different standards though. He goes on to complain about the crushed shadows though that can give the false sense that areas will be totally black or near it. Hopefully Sony will allow the end user to mess with the contrast settings of the EVF in camera to deal with this. With that said I can't wait till the A77 is physically in stores so I can experience the EVF myself.
Yes, I'm curious to see just how good it is. It should be also mentioned though that the best test may actually not be indoors but outside in bright light. Imaging Resource found the new Sony EVF to not be so bright - no big surprise when it's competing with the sun!
"The A77's TruFinder has some of the best highlight handling we've seen to date, but unfortunately gets into trouble at the other end of the tonal scale, with a tendency to plug dark areas of the image badly. Also, even at maximum brightness, the TruFinder isn't nearly as bright as a sunny day, so we found that our eyes sometimes took a few moments to adapt when we first looked through it when the surroundings were very bright.
We did feel that the TruFinder's update lag and refresh rate were considerably better than we saw on last year's A33 and A55, although it's still not quite up to the zero millisecond lag provided by an optical finder."
RickPerry wrote:
Corposant - those specs would make MJ's exposure time almost 13 minutes - a different picture would emerge - no grain but probably star tails.
Meanwhile this picture is for Espressogeek - my trusty Elektra hand pump machine - mmmmmm good.
I went out of town this weekend and only took the X100 with me. I played around with letting "Dynamic Range" be an auto function. Hmm. There were some shots where it set it to 400%, then my ISO floated up to 800. In broad daylight. I am pretty sure the DR function just detects highlights and then curves them down in the camera, but boosts ISO to compensate in the shadows. The results can be awesome, but it tends to reinforce my love/hate relationship with this camera!
Yeah, I'v had the same results with setting it to Auto. Its a lot better for you to actually view the scene and determine what level to use. Once you get the hang of it though its pretty damn cool. Its pretty much in camera exposure blending up to 2 stops.
Old Chinese lady who wanders a pretty wide area of the downtown Toronto core. This is one of her rare bird feedings in Nathan Philip Square in front of Toronto City Hall. Seagull Whisperer by d[^.-]b..oO(MJWong), on Flickr
