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p.1 #1 · Best film scanner?


What are the best quality film scanners? What's the best value? Which is fastest? I have a few 120 images and lots of very dense 35mm neg.




May 12, 2007 at 02:57 AM
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p.1 #2 · Best film scanner?


Sub it out . These guys http://www.shrutisoftware.com/ do great work and are cheap .


May 12, 2007 at 06:22 PM
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p.1 #3 · Best film scanner?


If you only have a certain amount of negatives or slides to get scanned, without expecting to have more in the future, then subbing out the work to someone else with much higher quality equipment may be your best alternative, as it will likely be cheaper then buying a scanner and the quality will be better. The only downside is that you will have to send out those negatives and trust they do not get lost or damaged in the mail (assuming you can't find a local source for doing it).

I bought a film scanner awhile back to try to save several hundred slides from the 50's and 60's that were in my grandfather's collection. I just recently sold the scanner here on FM, as unfortuantely another member of the family took the slides and will not allow us access to them to get them saved digitally, so I had no further use for the scanner. What I bought was a Konica-Minolta DiMAGE Dual Scan IV which was for 35mm only. It worked great, as far as I was concerned.

However, the reason for wanting a film scanner is important, as to know what you expect to do with the images once scanned. Are you wanting to be able to produce large print sizes from the digitized files? Or do you simply want to be able to save the images digitally, so that time does not degrade your negatives?

There are quite a few consumer grade scanners out there, however Konica-Minolta no longer makes film scanners (of which I think Sony bought that part out from them). From my previous research at the time, there was a big gap in pricing from consumer grade to professional grade scanners, with little to nothing offered pricewise in between (a typical gap of many thousands of dollars to go from one grade to the other).

Do you know what kind of resolution you are wanting to produce with a scanned image? For example the Dual Scan IV I had would scan up to 2800 DPI (rounded down, as I dont remember the exact count). I think this equates to producing a about an 8x12 print size in a photo quality print. The Dual Scan IV was a nice consumer grade model, and was not a professional grade. You could load up 5 slides at a time or 6 frames of negatives a time (or with an optional accessory you could use the APS cartridge to load a roll of film.

On a side note, Konica-Minolta also made a very nice DiMAGE Scan Elite 5400 II. This scanned up to 5400 DPI and at the time had a good reputation for being one of the best slide scanning scanners available to the higher end consumer grade market. It recieved varied reviews when scanning B&W negatives though, with some reports stating it wouldnt produce print images of B&W over 11x14 that maintained a photo quality style print (however color scans produced slightly larger prints very well.

Of course all the film scanners by Konica-Minolta are discontinued now, but several models are still available online as new items, including the Elite 5400 II which is still around $800, which for a decent film scanner isnt bad in price. The Dual Scan IV I bought (before it was discontinued) I think I paid around $400 for it.

If your interest in a very good film scanner involves the desire to offer services to make a profit on, and you wish to be able to do scanning at very high quality and in larger quantities then there is the drum scanner option, which is typically viewed to be the best method of doing this. However the drum scanners are professional grade and with that comes a very high price (avg of $15,000 to over $50,000), but drum scanners can produce optically over 10,000 DPI. However these involve extra steps to properly produce scans, as you need to prepare the silm on the drums first.

For a little more indepth information on drum scanners, if interested you might find this link helpful:
Drum Scanner Information

The last point of importance is to have good software to combine with a good scanner. Most scanners come with pretty good software, but better software can be bought outside of the scanner. I would suggest trying the provided software first (if you get a scanner) and determining later if you feel the need to spend more money on better software. Again this all depends on why you need the scanner and what you want it to produce.

To start with though, you really need to determine a few factors in deciding if purchasing a film scanner is really what you want:
1. How many scans are you looking to do?
2. Reason for scanning (if it is to print, then you need to know the largest size you plan to print)
3. Speed. How important is the speed factor?
4. Are you looking for a film scanner for personal use only or do you want to be able to offer the service to others for potential profit?

Until you have a decent understanding ofthe true needs you have for a film scanner I would not jump into obtaining one right off the bat, as you may find yourself disappointed. Knowing your budget assigned to getting one will help also.

My choice with the DiMAGE Dual Scan IV was based on the following answers to my 4 questions above:

1. I only needed to do several hundred scans, with no plans of aqcuiring further slides or negatives in the future.
2. Reason for scanning was to save the slides digitally before the slides degraded to an unsatisfactory state. Printing was not really needed, rather the intention was to be able to produce a nice DVD of the slides to give to family members (coupled with the audio of my grandfather explaining the story behind each picture)
3. Speed was only important in getting it all done, not a high factor in the decision since I had a limited amount od slides to do and no set timeframe to do it.
4. Scanner was simply personal use only, no intention of offering any such service to others.

Final decision of course was budget. This all came out of my pocket as it was simply a project I wanted to do. I was limited financially and the Dual Scan IV at around $400 was all I could spend, but it served my purposes perfectly, and I had no complaints with it whatsoever.



May 13, 2007 at 08:13 AM
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p.1 #4 · Best film scanner?


I have been away on a shoot for a couple of days - sorry for silence.

Thanks Eric, and especially Branden for your insights.

I don't shoot film any more, and have no intention of doing so. However, I do want to have digital access to my hundreds of thousands of images shot on 135 and 120.

I have owned film scanners before. My first was a Nikon LS30 in 1996. For the last 9 years I have not really shot film, and I am not finding my SCSI Nikon LS2000 suits my needs at the moment. I would like firewire, more speed, more resolution, and preferably the ability to scan 6x7.

I am looking at Nikon 9000. Is there something that I ought to consider as an alternative?



May 16, 2007 at 09:22 AM
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The Nikon 9000 ( or a used 8000 ) would fit your needs very nicely. However, as you probably already know, scanning is a slow process and if you have hundreds of thousands of images, it can take you a life time to scan them all in.

I still shoot 6x7 and only scan the shots I want to print. If I don't want a print of the image, I leave it as a slide and store them in archival pages.

Remember, once you put that many photos into digital format, you must manage the digital medium as sooner or later they will fail you. You need to have a backup scheme in place which you rotate onto new media as the year pass by.

As a suggestion, you might want to contact some of the larger firms that scan film and see if you can get a good price since you have so many photos to scan. You might be able to negotiate a price if your flexible on the timing and they can use "dead space" in their production to fill up with your scanning needs.



May 16, 2007 at 03:05 PM
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p.1 #6 · Best film scanner?


Imacon or a Nikon 9000 / 8000.




May 16, 2007 at 07:28 PM
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p.1 #7 · Best film scanner?


Does Imacon have advantages over Coolscan? What are they?


May 18, 2007 at 07:38 AM
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brainiac wrote:
Does Imacon have advantages over Coolscan? What are they?


I think the Imacon has many advantages over the Coolscan. Namely D-Max (its ability to bring out details and color in shadows). The Imacon is also faster and more production oriented. Its ability to render D-Min is better as well. Color accuracy and dynamic range better too. Of course, there are many different models of Imacons so some of their lower end models (sub-$10k range) may be close in spec to the Nikon. I tested them all plus quite a few others once when my main business was scanning. The Imacons and High-end flatbeds like the Heidelberg Topaz gave a lot of bang for the buck, but I'm guessing too expensive for your needs. Of course, nothing scans like a good ole' pmt drum scanner, but they require even more money and operator skill.
The scans from Kodak PhotoCD and Fuji Frontiers are quite good, and cheap, and can be had at almost any decent lab. Thats my recommendation. If you have specific images that need the very best, get 'em drum scanned.
I posted this test a while back for a similar discussion, I have removed the names of the companies that did these scans.
The Imacon 848 produced nearly identical scan to the Heidelberg Topaz shown here in the test.

http://www.eprepservices.com/scanner-comparison_a.jpg



May 18, 2007 at 08:45 PM





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