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Archive 2024 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


I’ve had a chance to work with the Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens, where perhaps the “E” stands for expensive, and it could stand for excellent, which it is. This lens reaches, IMO, a new level on the XCD of which I have ten XCD lenses at this point to compare.

This new lens is an amazing Zoom lens, the second Hasselblad has produced (Hasselblad XCD 35-75mm F3.5-4.5 Zoom) often known as the ‘Prime Zoom’ because each step of the zoom is as good as a prime lens. This new lens, also a zoom, is just as good or better. This is the Hasselblad 20-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E lens. I was fortunate to snag a copy and it’s on my X2D much of the time… at least of late.

I especially appreciate that it is a little closer in near-focus (12 inches) than the XCD 21mm. Both lenses are very sharp. The 21mm is still one of my favorite lenses, but I am getting to know the new 20-35mm Zoom to see if it is as good as it seems. It is.

To repeat, the just released XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 Zoom, like the XCD 21mm, is an astonishing lens, literally a Prime Zoom, while up to now in my photo world, the idea of a prime zoom was an oxymoron. Yet, here is one of two by Hasselblad.

Having all those primes in one Zoom is very, very helpful because the X2D is so prone to pick up dust and while I am skilled at removing it, It’s a pain in the butt.

I have shot a thousand or so images with this 20mm-35mm Zoom lens and have no complaints. It seems to have its own character, which I like, yet perhaps for hyper-detailed landscape work, it may be a little too ‘creative’. However, I love it for that.

I am shooting music festivals (five this years), some fashion work, and general city and walk-around photography. IMO, this Zoom for me is already the reference lens for my wide-angle work.

Photo: focus on vegetables middle of photo.






Quick shot around the kitchen




Nov 04, 2024 at 11:00 AM
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p.1 #2 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


Haven't you already started a thread about this lens?


Nov 04, 2024 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #3 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


joakim wrote:
Haven't you already started a thread about this lens?


Same shot showing E-xtreme keystoning, too.

I'm sure the lens is nice ... maybe something that isn't as off-putting, as this is. Makes me think people can get better geometry using their phone.

Which FL exif was this?



Nov 04, 2024 at 06:23 PM
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p.1 #4 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


joakim wrote:
Haven't you already started a thread about this lens?


You can't escape the endless shilling for Hasselblad, even on FM!



Nov 04, 2024 at 06:28 PM
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p.1 #5 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


RoamingScott wrote:
You can't escape the endless shilling for Hasselblad, even on FM!


If I was Hasselblad ... this isn't a good look for them (imo). Cease & Desist might be in order.

And, yes ... I'm well aware of the geometric challenges of shooting UWA. I just think if you're going to promote excellence, then showcasing the geometry like this is a bit of faux pas.

On the plus side, the lines are all nice and straight.



Nov 04, 2024 at 06:30 PM
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p.1 #6 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


He's doing this all over. It's not helping HB IMHO. At least we didn't get the usual advertorial for you know who. I still think he's a paid schill. After his very first post which I criticized he not only replied with basically the same diatribe, he also PM'd me and when I didn't respond he emailed me directly. He's been promptly blocked. I was feeling stalker vibes.

Since this thread is basically a wreck, here's a photo of a wreck, taken with the XCD 20-35E.

Gordon




  X2D 100C    XCD 20-35E@30 lens    30mm    f/4.5    1/2000s    64 ISO    0.0 EV  




Nov 04, 2024 at 10:28 PM
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p.1 #7 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


Hmmm, well if this is just a marketing schill ... and then the OP go MIA ... Fred could just take it down as SPAM.

We'll see what Fred's take on it is.



Nov 04, 2024 at 11:15 PM
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p.1 #8 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


I was wondering if you've had an opportunity to compare the 21mm vs the 20-35mm? I am very concerned about corner sharpness. I tried a display unit at my local store, and came away very unimpressed with the corner sharpness of the 20-35, especially in comparison with the 21mm I already have. Do you have any thoughts?

I know Lloyd compared the two lenses, and liked the zoom better. But I fear he just got a very good copy by happenstance.



Jan 30, 2025 at 07:46 AM
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madlantern wrote:
I was wondering if you've had an opportunity to compare the 21mm vs the 20-35mm? I am very concerned about corner sharpness. I tried a display unit at my local store, and came away very unimpressed with the corner sharpness of the 20-35, especially in comparison with the 21mm I already have. Do you have any thoughts?

I know Lloyd compared the two lenses, and liked the zoom better. But I fear he just got a very good copy by happenstance.


My 21mm is *slightly* sharper than my copy of the zoom, in the corners. By an amount I don’t really consider significant. I would only be chasing corner sharpness stopped down and while at f8 the 21mm I own is still sharper is by a minuscule amount. It might just be the lenses I own. I’m not sure I could tell 100% of the time in a blind test.

For my use the convenience of the zoom over the 21, 25, 28 and 30 carry is significant. The zoom I have is certainly not better than the primes but it’s so so close. Any lapse in my technique would give a more significant difference. And I’d need to be on a tripod with the IBIS turned off. IBIS can smear corners a bit on ultra wide lenses.

Gordon



Jan 30, 2025 at 03:05 PM
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MichaelErlewin wrote:
I’ve had a chance to work with the Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens, where perhaps the “E” stands for expensive, and it could stand for excellent, which it is. This lens reaches, IMO, a new level on the XCD of which I have ten XCD lenses at this point to compare.

This new lens is an amazing Zoom lens, the second Hasselblad has produced (Hasselblad XCD 35-75mm F3.5-4.5 Zoom) often known as the ‘Prime Zoom’ because each step of the zoom is as good as a prime lens. This new lens, also a zoom, is just as good or better.
...Show more


A bit of a dirty fork...



Jan 30, 2025 at 03:26 PM
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p.1 #11 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


Well, I have both lenses and love them equally. As far as corners, I don’t expect lenses that wide to be all that exact. Just look at any real-estate photos using wide lenses. When you go and visit a house, it’s like postage stamp size because of the wide angle lenses especially in the corners.

If I want corners I would use something like the XCD 30mm lens.









XCD 20-35







XCD 80mm f/1.9




Jan 31, 2025 at 10:09 AM
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p.1 #12 · Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens


Are you sure that last shot is from an 80mm? That distortion looks off to me?

Gordon



Feb 01, 2025 at 05:02 PM
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MichaelErlewin wrote:
I’ve had a chance to work with the Hasselblad XCD 20mm-35mm f/3.2-4.5 E Lens, where perhaps the “E” stands for expensive, and it could stand for excellent, which it is. This lens reaches, IMO, a new level on the XCD of which I have ten XCD lenses at this point to compare.

This new lens is an amazing Zoom lens, the second Hasselblad has produced (Hasselblad XCD 35-75mm F3.5-4.5 Zoom) often known as the ‘Prime Zoom’ because each step of the zoom is as good as a prime lens. This new lens, also a zoom, is just as good or better.
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Almost every superlative you have said here applies in spades to the Fuji GF 20-35mm zoom except I will add that it is also tack sharp corner to corner at all focal lengths. It does so at less than half the price of the Hassy.




Feb 01, 2025 at 06:40 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Almost every superlative you have said here applies in spades to the Fuji GF 20-35mm zoom except I will add that it is also tack sharp corner to corner at all focal lengths. It does so at less than half the price of the Hassy.



Agreed. I actually have both and the Fuji is in every way at least as good as the HB, for less money.

Haven’t used the Fuji since the HB arrived. I prefer the X2D over the GFX100ii and 100S, mostly, except for the 250 and 500, where the extra size in the body is a benefit.

In any comparison the Fujifilm GFX system is going to make more sense. Still I prefer the Hasselblad and would always choose that over the Fuji. Same with Leica over Sony. Logic and common sense be damned.

Gordon



Feb 02, 2025 at 12:54 AM
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flash wrote:
Agreed. I actually have both and the Fuji is in every way at least as good as the HB, for less money.

Haven’t used the Fuji since the HB arrived. I prefer the X2D over the GFX100ii and 100S, mostly, except for the 250 and 500, where the extra size in the body is a benefit.

In any comparison the Fujifilm GFX system is going to make more sense. Still I prefer the Hasselblad and would always choose that over the Fuji. Same with Leica over Sony. Logic and common sense be damned.

Gordon


Form Follows Function


In many cases this is meant to infer that consideration to how something works takes priority over how it is "shaped", appearance, aesthetic, etc.

But, in the case of where similar (or close enough) functionality is already in place, then the attention to Form is of veritable consideration.

And, yet OTOH ... the FORM of the body does impact the function of of hand holding, fatigue, storage space required, etc. Different folks will have different perspectives regarding the FORM of a body and its significance (i.e. I CAN shoot with pretty much any form, but whether or not I WANT to shoot with a given FORM, may be a different matter).


So, "Logic and Common Sense" may not be quite as damned after all.


If one evaluates the function vs. $$$ ratio .. the Fuji / Sony can come out with better ratio's in that regard. But, in the Function + Form = Fulfillment ... that one can calculate out a bit differently for folks. In the vein of "Don't fight with your tools." ... the less you fight with 'em, the more productive they can be for you. Thus, the less you fight (with the form), the more they function and fulfill.

You pay for your tools once ... you work with them every day. Logic and common sense says to get the hammer that is right for the job (Function), but when you have choices regarding which (of those functional requirements met) hammer to swing, get the one that you enjoy (Form) swinging ... there's a lot of nails to pound in the days / years to come.

I mean, look at a baseball bat ... they all pretty much function the same. But, every hitter will pick a bat (or made to their spec) that is formed (length, weight, shape) in a way that they prefer to swing. Do you really think, they are worried about the Form vs. $$$ ratio in order to do their best.

I get that we mere mortals have to live / decide with choices on how to spend our $$$, and the truth is that the Function / $$$ ratio is a rationalization / justification to those decisions / choices, in certain instances. Tony Gwynn probably didn't go around telling Hank Aaron that Tony's bat cost less on a $$$ / base hit or $$$ / ounce of wood. He likely didn't ask Hank what the cost of his bats were per Home Run produced. Neither did he try and tell Hank that his bat was too heavy or too light or too long or too short. Oh, they may have discussed the physics of design relative to swinging speed, mass, momentum, etc. ... but, in the end, each one chose what they did for one fundamental reason ... it worked for them.


Use what you like ... knock it out of the park.


Seems pretty logical, to me. Might even be common sense ... at least around grandpa's, baseball players and carpenters.
Not so sure about photographers, sometimes, though.



Probably goes along with "Gotta ask the right question, to get the right answer?" Seems pretty logical, to me.

Which camera has the better function to $$$ ratio? Is that the right question?
Which camera do I enjoy using more? Is that the right question?
Which camera do I produce my best work from? Is that the right question?

Might be other questions to consider ... but, we owe it to ourselves to be asking ourselves the right questions, to get the right answers.
Sometimes we have different reasons for asking different questions ... but, sometimes we don't even realize that we've been asking the wrong questions, all along.





Feb 02, 2025 at 08:28 AM
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The reason I seldom read or post here is all the nastiness that appears, attacking not only equipment but other photographers as well. Why this is, I would like to know. For example, because I am happy with the Hassleblad's color system and the X2D, despite its shortcomings, which of course I see because I have that camera, among others. Photo forums are dying or turning toxic, for the most part. My close-up work goes back to 1956, so I have seen a lot of give and take among photographers, but few as acidic as here. And I know forums, since I ran 110 of them for microsoft and two major forum/features (music and film) for CompuServe many years ago.


Feb 02, 2025 at 09:37 AM
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flash wrote:
Agreed. I actually have both and the Fuji is in every way at least as good as the HB, for less money.

Haven’t used the Fuji since the HB arrived. I prefer the X2D over the GFX100ii and 100S, mostly, except for the 250 and 500, where the extra size in the body is a benefit.

In any comparison the Fujifilm GFX system is going to make more sense. Still I prefer the Hasselblad and would always choose that over the Fuji. Same with Leica over Sony. Logic and common sense be damned.

Gordon


A possible big benefit of the Hasselblad system over the Fuji is the leaf shutter/ higher sync speeds when used with strobe/ flash. Here the GFX can't compete.




Feb 02, 2025 at 10:51 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
A possible big benefit of the Hasselblad system over the Fuji is the leaf shutter/ higher sync speeds when used with strobe/ flash. Here the GFX can't compete.



This is true. And I’ll quote it as a reason when I don’t actually remember the last time I attached a flash to my X2D. It does add some extra stability for handheld shooting though and there’s almost zero shutter shock. That’s real for me.

Really and honestly it’s some personal preference and some vanity.

I really prefer the UI and menus of HB and Leica. This is REALLY important to me. More than having many features.

I REALLY like that I have almost identically set up cameras between my SL3 and X2D. Most buttons do the same thing in the same way. A recent few upgrade to the SL3 fixed my main UI gripe.

Nothing fits in the hand like the X cameras for me. They may as well based the grip on a mould of my hand.

But really, I do love great industrial design. I like pretty things. I like cameras with a bit of heft and density to them. There’s nothing as pretty as the X2D or Leicas, IMHO.

I can do the work I do with an A7R3. But where’s the fun in that.

Gordon



Feb 02, 2025 at 05:03 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
A possible big benefit of the Hasselblad system over the Fuji is the leaf shutter/ higher sync speeds when used with strobe/ flash. Here the GFX can't compete.



flash wrote:
This is true. And I’ll quote it as a reason when I don’t actually remember the last time I attached a flash to my X2D. It does add some extra stability for handheld shooting though and there’s almost zero shutter shock. That’s real for me.


"almost zero shutter shock"

That ^ is the greater attraction for me to the leaf shutter system. I've wondered what it would be like if Leica made a FF system with leaf shutter lenses ... fantasy, I know.

The "big boys" who are playing with flash sync speeds, etc. dig on leaf shutters (and higher shutter speed syncs), and it is likely the most mentioned aspect of a leaf shutter. But, I dig on it for what it means to hand holding ... and tripod based ... vibrations at slower shutter speeds. Strobes aren't a big part of my kit, so there's little benefit to me in that regard (although, I still appreciate the engineering behind it). And, if you think about it ... if IBIS lets folks shoot slower speeds for motion shake, doesn't it kinda make sense to have the least shutter shock mechanism available, to go with it?

As to hand holding ... some things just "fit better". Back when I was shooting Canon, the rage was to move to Sony ... fit my hand like a brick. Never could get into Sony.

That said, having a system without a focal plane shutter, does place certain limitations (i.e. electronic shutter) for adapted lenses. And, one has to recognize that the decisions for how to process those files for highest IQ, is a slower process (internal computations) for all that data. So, yeah it's not gonna be a speed demon ... but, most race cars are noisier than limousines, anyway.

The other thing I dig on with MF ... 16 bit color ... the malleability of the files just seems to hold up better when pushing on them.
Probably ties back to that slower data readout, and less noise thing.



Feb 03, 2025 at 04:44 AM
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flash wrote:
Are you sure that last shot is from an 80mm? That distortion looks off to me?

Gordon


Skewed, just a wee bit, huh?

Of all the many corrections we can make in post ... this kind of skewing gives me PITA syndrome. Just doesn't seem to jive with what I expect from Hasselblad namesake, I'd like to see the shot made with less skewing (plumb, level, square) to have a better representation of the lens. This one seems more like a tutorial image of what can happen with wides when you are not plumb, level, square ... i.e. it gets wonky. And, that may not be a fair representation of the lens.



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