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Archive 2024 · Fuji XF 8-16/2.8 LM WR

  
 
Jack Flesher
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p.1 #1 · Fuji XF 8-16/2.8 LM WR


Not much on this lens here, so I thought I'd open a thread on it and share my initial opinion.

Pros: Super sharp, it's optically among the best if not the best superwide zoom I've owned; it focuses fast and accurately; actually balances well on my XH2; built-in lens-hood with special fitted cap; build quality second to none.

Cons: By Fuji X standards, it's a behemoth, almost as large as say the Nikon Z 14-24/2.8; cannot filter it; has fairly significant fall-off, fortunately that's easily corrected out. (For me, I often add some vignette anyway, but regardless, this lens has a fair amount native.)

IMHO, the first question everyone is going to want to know, is how much better optically is it than the 10-24? There's not a simple answer. I have a very good copy of the 10-24 and it is a lens I use a lot when I travel. The 8-16 is clearly superior to my copy of the 10-24 at 10 to 12mm especially at the edges, but after 12mm the optical advantage is diminished. Of course the 8-16 also covers the 8 to 10 range that the 10-24 does not, and perhaps surprisingly for some, 8mm is a *lot* wider in actual use than 10mm; think about 4 large steps backwards with the 10 to get similar framing to the 8.

The 8-16 is so big I do not see myself traveling with it. Plus for travel, the range of the 10-24 is really flexible and useful. My only nit with the 10-24 is it isn't quite wide enough for me in some situations like inside larger buildings or even outside larger buildings in areas with narrow streets; and here 8mm would be more welcome. But IMHO, it isn't worth the weight penalty unless I knew ahead of time I would appreciate the 8-10 range enough to justify carrying it instead of the 10-24. My 10-24 also shows loss of extreme edge resolution from about 10 to 12mm, not horrible, but definitely visible at 100% view. But it's lightweight and compact and optically more than adequate for 90% of my travel imaging.

All that said, I like the 8-16 enough I don't see myself selling it either. I thought of the 8mm prime for travel, but 8mm by itself is limiting because it's so darn wide. See the "no dogs" image below -- if the Sun is behind you, your shadow may be in the image; if the Sun is in front of you, you may get flare. But for architectural shots, the flexibility of an 8-16 zoom that is this good optically is tough to beat. With such good optics, making perspective corrections in post or otherwise cropping heavily for example will go almost unnoticed in the final image.

My wish if I had Fuji's ear... It seems to me Fuji could have made this lens an f4 and reduced the size by a good third or more. They could probably have then also made it an 8-20 instead of an 8-16 and still kept it smaller and lighter than this f2.8 lens, and then also possibly included a removable hood and filter threads so it could have been filtered -- even if the filters vignetted a bit at 8-10mm. IMHO, assuming that lens would be as optically good as the 8-16, they could have charged as much and it would be slam-dunk for X users, a hit out of the park... But for now, it's still the best thing going IMO...

I'll share more later as it comes to be. I just got it and am still a long way from being fully facile with it, or knowing all of it's weaknesses and strengths, so for now I will leave it here.

A few example images from a short walk around with it today.
































Nov 04, 2024 at 03:01 PM
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Thanks for sharing your impressions, Jack. It does seem that its killer use case is architectural, both outside and in with the F2.8. For my uses, I'm with you on a f4 version. Similarly, I've wished the 10-24 was 8-24 f4. I've waffled over the 8mm for awhile, just seems like it would be difficult to always shoot at 8mm w/o a lens change. I would be curious to see how this lens handles deep redwood forest shots. I struggle to get wide enough in that environment, yet trees will show any distortion you have.


Nov 04, 2024 at 04:18 PM
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I’m a bit leery of most APS-C lenses that only go to f/4 or thereabouts. (Very long lenses excepted for obvious reasons.)

The issue is that we already lose one aperture option at the small end since diffraction blur sets in roughly one stop sooner than with full frame. If you are the sort of tries to mostly but not entirely avoid f/16 on FF, you might feel that you have only three useful apertures on an f/4 lens: f/4, f/5.6, and f/8.




Nov 04, 2024 at 04:34 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I’m a bit leery of most APS-C lenses that only go to f/4 or thereabouts. (Very long lenses excepted for obvious reasons.)

The issue is that we already lose one aperture option at the small end since diffraction blur sets in roughly one stop sooner than with full frame. If you are the sort of tries to mostly but not entirely avoid f/16 on FF, you might feel that you have only three useful apertures on an f/4 lens: f/4, f/5.6, and f/8.



So you find for example the f4 to f8 “useful range” of your 10-24 significantly limiting in actual use?



Nov 04, 2024 at 05:01 PM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
Thanks for sharing your impressions, Jack. It does seem that its killer use case is architectural, both outside and in with the F2.8. For my uses, I'm with you on a f4 version. Similarly, I've wished the 10-24 was 8-24 f4. I've waffled over the 8mm for awhile, just seems like it would be difficult to always shoot at 8mm w/o a lens change. I would be curious to see how this lens handles deep redwood forest shots. I struggle to get wide enough in that environment, yet trees will show any distortion you have.


I know what you mean by trees and distortion. IDK if I’ll get up to the Redwoods or Yosemite Sequoias any time soon, but if I do, I’ll be sure to experiment. I may actually have a chance in a few Central Valley orchards however in a few weeks, not sure they’re tall enough for what you’re describing, but I can try them.



Nov 04, 2024 at 05:05 PM
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I have both the 8-16mm and 10-24mm wr, I prefer the 8-16mm but recently picked up the 10-24mm to get a little extra reach. I use mine primarily for sports so I can get in really close. I shoot a lot of cycling with them, that is the sport I use them on mostly, I am in the minority I think because the size & weight do not matter much to me at all. I rarely use the 8-16mm at f2.8 except indoors where it does help tremendously because the one bike park I shoot at is really dark. I use flash 95% of the time so the f4 on the 10-24mm does not bother me outdoors much since i am usually at 1/250 and f8 or so unless I am under heavy tree cover.

I will also add the the 8-16mm has really great sunstars, which is another reason I use that more.

I also completely agree about focus speed, I can shoot fast downhill mountain bike racing with the 8-16mm and it almost never misses a shot with the XH2S, I think it was really good even on the XT4.



Nov 04, 2024 at 09:39 PM
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A little more on this lens resolution capability. I was looking over an image more carefully at 100% and came to an almost startling observation. First, understand it was a very clear day in the Bay Area yesterday when I took this shot, so there was little in the way of atmosphere to detract. That said, the green quonset-like buildings circled in yellow are the Moffett Field Naval Air Base hangers (large buildings) and the buildings circled in red are Google's home office complex area, and most are about 4 stories tall.

The "aha" is the hangers are 3-½ miles away, and that Google complex is 5 miles away from where I made this capture(!) About two red oval diameters to the right of the red oval, you can sort of make out a single, taller structure. I can only assume it the Hoover Tower at Stanford University which is 285 feet tall and is 10 miles away. Just thought it was an interesting FWIW, and impressed me anyway...

Data. This is a 2048x2048 actual pixel crop. It is a hand-held image from my XH2, IBIS on and ES, lens is focused just past the concrete blocks in the foreground at about at the first water pocket edge, the lens is at 8mm and the camera is at ISO 320, 1/400th sec and f7.1.







Nov 05, 2024 at 12:55 PM
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I did also check for flare and Sunstars. Here is an example. First, these have been pretty heavily perspective corrected since I had the camera well down angled, so these represent only about half the total frame area; and second I didn't set focus very well for the capture, so apologies for that. Note I am posting 3 versions, first 2 are the same f8 image processed two ways, the third is a similar capture at f22. My raw processor of choice is CaptureOne. It has a "De-haze" tool, and I assume LR has it too but am not certain. Anyway, I rarely use it except for situations like this one; and so I've posted both the cleaner "de-hazed" version with it set at 70%, along with one that has not had any applied, then the last image is similarly de-hazed at f22.

I am a little surprised at how similar the Sunstars and flare are at the different apertures. Everything else is set identically, so de-haze and aperture/SS are the only differences. Anyway, I think while not great technically (my fault) they show that not only does the lens produce pretty decent Sunstars, it also handles flare exceptionally well.

















Nov 05, 2024 at 01:59 PM
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JPennucci wrote:
I will also add the the 8-16mm has really great sunstars, which is another reason I use that more.


See, this right here is what's going to cause pain in my wallet. Thanks



Nov 05, 2024 at 02:18 PM
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kenbennett wrote:
See, this right here is what's going to cause pain in my wallet. Thanks




Admittedly, the more I use it and inspect its results, the less I care about its size and weight. Or the fact I can't filter it. It really is a remarkable lens...




Nov 05, 2024 at 02:24 PM
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p.1 #11 · Fuji XF 8-16/2.8 LM WR


Yes, LR (along with ACR) has an effective dehaze tool.


Nov 05, 2024 at 03:47 PM
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Filters are a pain, when I bought mine a couple of years ago I bought three Kase in body ND filters, a 3, 6, & 10 stop. They are a little bit of a pain at first and I do not really like to change them out in the field in case I drop one but they do work really well.


Nov 06, 2024 at 06:50 AM
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Jack Flesher wrote:
Pros: Super sharp, it's optically among the best if not the best superwide zoom I've owned;


I agree - I've owned almost every superwide zoom on the market, and this lens is the best I've ever used, hands down.

It's a shame that it requires special filters, but I guess you have to take the bad with the good.




  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    8mm    f/11.0    1/25s    200 ISO    -2.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    10mm    f/11.0    1/10s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    8mm    f/16.0    1/15s    200 ISO    -2.0 EV  




Nov 07, 2024 at 11:15 AM
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For those who have used both, how does this lens compare to the Gf20-35 on IQ? I realize that its not a direct comparison of FL's but they do overlap. There was another thread that this came up, but I don't think anyone on that thread had actually used both. When I look at the beautiful shots posted, its impressive how you get fine detail deep into the photo which gives a great 3D sense of space. That's a quality I love about the 20-35.


Nov 07, 2024 at 11:49 AM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
For those who have used both, how does this lens compare to the Gf20-35 on IQ?


You can't compare an APS-C image with a medium-format image.

I've owned both, and they are totally different in terms of rendering, but it's a moot point since you can't swap either lens between the two different camera systems.



Nov 07, 2024 at 12:09 PM
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molson wrote:
You can't compare an APS-C image with a medium-format image.

I've owned both, and they are totally different in terms of rendering, but it's a moot point since you can't swap either lens between the two different camera systems.


I guess I should have asked you to compare output of the body/lens combo which you certainly can compare. I realize there's a ton a of variables using different bodies on these lenses. So saying one lens is better than other isn't possible. But the output is what matters to me. I've done plenty of comparisons between my XT5 and Gfx with various lens combos, sometimes its a big difference, sometimes not. I'm not trying to turn this into a format discussion which has been pounded to death. Just curious about comparing rendering and IQ of the combined output. When I look at your and Jack's photo with the 8-16, it seems to have some of the goodness I've experienced with the 20-35. I don't own the 8-16, so the question.



Nov 07, 2024 at 01:48 PM
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You can't compare an APS-C image with a medium-format image.

While you cannot equate them, you can compare them.



Nov 07, 2024 at 02:21 PM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
For those who have used both, how does this lens compare to the Gf20-35 on IQ? I realize that its not a direct comparison of FL's but they do overlap. There was another thread that this came up, but I don't think anyone on that thread had actually used both. When I look at the beautiful shots posted, its impressive how you get fine detail deep into the photo which gives a great 3D sense of space. That's a quality I love about the 20-35.


The 20-35 on the GFX is stellar. But it’s also a net Fx focal range of 16-28, where the XF 8-16 is net 12-24 in Fx terms. But from a pure quality of optical performance point of view, I’d say they are both heads of their respective classes. Hope that helps.



Nov 07, 2024 at 04:11 PM
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I was having a brief irrational thought of adding this lens to the pool. But its too heavy for my backpacking X system kit and I have the Gfx w/ 20-35 for when weight is not an issue. But I would certainly add it if I were to bail on the Gfx.


Nov 07, 2024 at 05:11 PM
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Took a quick grab shooting toward the Sun to try and see the "quality" of the flare. End of day, this seems about as bad as it gets before the Sun itself is in the frame. Note that it cut in half at 10mm, and was gone at 12mm zooming from this position.

All in all, I feel this is pretty impressive performance for any lens, let alone a zoom with this many elements and groups -- 20 elements in 13 groups...







Nov 07, 2024 at 06:28 PM
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