p.1 #1 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
I was skimming through Facebook and this ad came in for Arsenal 2. I clicked on it because I'm a sucker for photography and it was an ad for a new product called Arsenal 2, a product you stick on your camera's flash hotshoe and it controls the settings to supposedly greatly improve the final product of your raw photos to reduce or eliminate the need for editing. I'll be the first to say it looks great and if it really works the way they claim, it looks like it greatly improves the quality of the photos, and for $225 it's not bad, but anyone have experience with this?
p.1 #2 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
hmmm...most of the stuff you can do it yourself anyway. Some of the light "fixing" not exactly my taste.
imo a bit expensive for what it is
a plus after all, is that my camera did not make the list
p.1 #5 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
EB-1 wrote:
Was that the Kickstartered scam, or is this something different?
EBH
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That's what I was wondering? I don't think it's a scam specifically, but more like an idiots guide to selling people a machine that does all the work for you so you don't have to use your own imagination and photo intelligence yourself. I guess it's more aimed at beginners who want to take great photos, if that's what it's supposed to do for you.
p.1 #6 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
Bacalhau wrote:
hmmm...most of the stuff you can do it yourself anyway. Some of the light "fixing" not exactly my taste.
imo a bit expensive for what it is
a plus after all, is that my camera did not make the list
But it has AI! You don't have to do a thing anymore. AI will do it all and it eliminates the need for PS or LR. Actually, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I think it's a cheating toy for beginners who think they'll take pro-level photos without having to learn how to get there.
p.1 #7 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
billsamuels wrote:
But it has AI! You don't have to do a thing anymore. AI will do it all and it eliminates the need for PS or LR. Actually, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I think it's a cheating toy for beginners who think they'll take pro-level photos without having to learn how to get there.
AI? as in Abnormal Interference? or Ad Interim? last one would be perfect match for beginners - AI till you learn not so spend money on useless gadgets...
p.1 #8 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
EB-1 wrote:
Was that the Kickstartered scam, or is this something different?
EBH
EBH
billsamuels wrote:
That's what I was wondering? I don't think it's a scam specifically, but more like an idiots guide to selling people a machine that does all the work for you so you don't have to use your own imagination and photo intelligence yourself. I guess it's more aimed at beginners who want to take great photos, if that's what it's supposed to do for you.
p.1 #10 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
The original product was long on promise and frankly they never lived up to it, at least from the Sony side of the spectrum. In all fairness, they did do refunds although I'm not certain how wide spread it was. No experience with version 2 but after being one of those that did get a complete refund, that was enough to permanently wean me off of kickstarter programs.
Looking back, while the concept sounded good (especially to beginners), in reality you were dealing with more equipment that frankly was not needed. Most of what it was supposed to do (AI stuff) was IMO useless. The only part I was curious with was the supposed focus stacking feature which never worked with Sony bodies despite being stated that it would.
p.1 #11 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
This AI, machine learning crap is getting out of hand IMHO. How hard is to set the camera settings? Use your brain , learn it if you don't know already. Sorry for being rude.
p.1 #12 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
bobby350z wrote:
This AI, machine learning crap is getting out of hand IMHO. How hard is to set the camera settings? Use your brain , learn it if you don't know already. Sorry for being rude.
AI and setting the camera settings is hardly the same thing. Make all the camera settings you want and your AF will not be as fast and efficient as using Eye Detect AF, which is just one AI option that makes taking photos more efficient for many in many instances.
Use your brain, and make use of AI when it is advantageous to getting better photos.
Don't want to use it, then don't. Just like I never use the video feature on any still cameras.
p.1 #13 · Anyone heard of Arsenal 2 (or 1) to improve photos?
Imagemaster wrote:
AI and setting the camera settings is hardly the same thing. Make all the camera settings you want and your AF will not be as fast and efficient as using Eye Detect AF, which is just one AI option that makes taking photos more efficient for many in many instances.
Use your brain, and make use of AI when it is advantageous to getting better photos.
Don't want to use it, then don't. Just like I never use the video feature on any still cameras.
Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant is that everyone out there is using buzzwords like ML, AI for anything, even when it has nothing to do with it. What settings this product picks that you can't select yourself? Maybe it sees a face and sets eye-detect or an animal and use animal-AF or switches automatically? I am not ditching AI/ML, they have their advantages.
