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Rajan Parrikar
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p.1 #1 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Tony has just made available a new set of profiles.

https://tonykuyper.wordpress.com/2021/07/23/the-linear-profile-a-new-beginning-in-light-room-and-camera-raw/

PS: My first impressions - On bodies where I have custom profiles made using the ColorChecker Passport, the advantage seemed less obvious and on the examples I ran, the custom profiles gave a quicker path to the final destination. On camera bodies I did not have custom profiles for, Tony's profiles did well. (Pace Tony, I would not recommend using Auto as a starting point.)



Jul 24, 2021 at 05:27 AM
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p.1 #2 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


There was a brief "linear profile" craze some years ago. I don't remember who started it, but I remember doing a lot of testing and then rejecting linear over custom profiles.

So I got Tony's linears and tested again, briefly on only 2 images. My opinion is still "meh", not for me. "Auto" is definitely a poor starting choice. It takes a lot of tweaking after auto, and you are better off starting from zero. And even then, it takes a lot of tweaking. A lot more than when starting from a good custom profile with the standard gamma curve.

The only potential benefit I see is in deep shadows. Shadows that are not clipped can be rescued easier with a linear profile. So, maybe do a linear profile conversion and blend that with a "normal" conversion using a luminosity mask for shadows.



Jul 24, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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p.1 #3 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


redcrown wrote:
There was a brief "linear profile" craze some years ago. I don't remember who started it, but I remember doing a lot of testing and then rejecting linear over custom profiles.

So I got Tony's linears and tested again, briefly on only 2 images. My opinion is still "meh", not for me. "Auto" is definitely a poor starting choice. It takes a lot of tweaking after auto, and you are better off starting from zero. And even then, it takes a lot of tweaking. A lot more than when starting from a good custom profile with the standard gamma curve.

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Yes, the custom profiles work better. But then, I don't have custom profiles for some of my earlier bodies and Tony's linear profile does better there than any of the canned profiles. In particular, highlight recovery is very good, and as you point out shadows can benefit as well.



Jul 24, 2021 at 10:29 AM
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p.1 #4 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Wouldn't Adobe Standard be linear or do they still goose it?


Jul 24, 2021 at 10:51 AM
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p.1 #5 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Zenon Char wrote:
Wouldn't Adobe Standard be linear or do they still goose it?


Not sure, but it does seem to have a curve imparted to it. Also, Tony's linear profiles are specific to camera bodies.



Jul 24, 2021 at 11:11 AM
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p.1 #6 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Rajan Parrikar wrote:
Not sure, but it does seem to have a curve imparted to it. Also, Tony's linear profiles are specific to camera bodies.


I guess not. I just created a virtual copy tried the Linear vs Standard. Quite a difference which includes exposure as mentioned in the video.



Jul 24, 2021 at 11:13 AM
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p.1 #7 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


His PS install recommendations didn't work. My iMac unzipped it so I just used LR.


Jul 24, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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p.1 #8 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Zenon Char wrote:
His PS install recommendations didn't work. My iMac unzipped it so I just used LR.


I had no issues on my Mac. The files remain unzipped. In any case you just have to compress the folder again.



Jul 24, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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p.1 #9 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Rajan Parrikar wrote:
I had no issues on my Mac. The files remain unzipped. In any case you just have to compress the folder again.


Ahhh. The DCP profile was greyed out for me with PS.



Jul 24, 2021 at 11:22 AM
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p.1 #10 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


I have not tried linear in about 10 years.
Is it really useful nowadays with the good DR at low ISO most cameras have?

EBH



Jul 24, 2021 at 05:17 PM
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p.1 #11 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Don't know who Tony Kuyper is but in Capture One, you can set it to use a linear tone response curve rather than the standard gamma 2.2. That results in a very dark image but one that can be useful in extracting critical highlight detail. Most camera profiles have a 2.2 gamma baked in because the sensor data is linear and it looks like crap until it's gamma corrected.


Jul 24, 2021 at 05:48 PM
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p.1 #12 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Peter Figen wrote:
Don't know who Tony Kuyper is but in Capture One, you can set it to use a linear tone response curve rather than the standard gamma 2.2. That results in a very dark image but one that can be useful in extracting critical highlight detail. Most camera profiles have a 2.2 gamma baked in because the sensor data is linear and it looks like crap until it's gamma corrected.


Tony is the creator of the TK panel, a powerful tool for generating and manipulating luminosity, colour, and saturation masks, plus a whole lot more. The panel plays seamlessly with PS and also includes a slew of PS actions.

https://goodlight.us/writing/actionspanelv7/tk7.html




Jul 24, 2021 at 07:40 PM
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p.1 #13 · Linear Profiles Option by Tony Kuyper


Tony's repository for linear profiles is growing. He has now added profiles for some DJI drones.

https://goodlight.us/linear-profiles.html



Jul 29, 2021 at 07:50 AM





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