I’m rockin a D4 that still provides clean shots at 6400...is the D850 a camera you can shoot at 6400 all day without hesitation? If yes, how is 12800? Thanks!
i'm afraid i'm a little short on iso 12800 (only one that I could find). here are a few other fairly high iso images with associated data. all images here are handheld
If you compare apples to apples in regards to resolution ,in other words reduce the pixel dimensions of the D850 file down to the 16MP dimensions of the D4, I think they are very similar. The D850 will have an edge on sharpening in practice.
If you feel the noise is still an issue then a run thru Topaz DeNoise prior to resizing and don't over sharpen. DR should be close enough not to make the higher rez of the D850 an issue. At least for me it isn't. Fine detail shots might show some degradation, but if not getting the shot or shooting at 12800 is my choice I'll tolerate it. The Jpeg engine on the D850 with low noise reduction is also an option for one stop shopping.
Just my two cents. I am an amateur so take what I say with that knowledge.
What is your intended output? Are you going to keep full resolution or resample? I seldom shoot above 3200, but that is out of habit more than any sensor limitations.
here is a D4 shot done a few years back. I have been off this build of camera since the D4s due to the lack of need. the D850 and Z6 have been pulling most of the weight.
shot in the basement of the main building on Ellis Island at its reopening after the cleanup from Hurricane Sandy in the NY/NJ area. the water level was just a few inches short of the ceiling when it occurred. work performed for the USNPS.
you would be quite surprised with the quality at its full shot resolution vs this low res image
sjms wrote:
i'm afraid i'm a little short on iso 12800 (only one that I could find). here are a few other fairly high iso images with associated data. all images here are handheld
How were these exported? Are they downsampled? I deliver full res images to my clients. But based on your pics I’d say the D850 is better than the D4.
I’ve always preferred the D4’s jpgs straight off camera when shooting at 6400+
ohsnaphappy wrote:
I’m rockin a D4 that still provides clean shots at 6400...is the D850 a camera you can shoot at 6400 all day without hesitation? If yes, how is 12800? Thanks!
I have shot up to ISO 20000 with the D850 and the images can be quite usable but the shadows are ... well, black, so there isn't much dynamic range at those settings. At ISO 6400 there is no problem. ISO 12800 ... you can use it, and it'll print nicely at A3+ size, but it won't be as clean in tones as a D5, and you may want to apply some noise reduction such as DXO PRIME. I wouldn't worry too much about it to be honest, just shoot at the ISO that you need to get the shot, and then if necessary, edit the images to get the final outcome you need. The D850 is suprisingly capable at high ISO.
ohsnaphappy wrote:
I’m rockin a D4 that still provides clean shots at 6400...is the D850 a camera you can shoot at 6400 all day without hesitation? If yes, how is 12800? Thanks!
ohsnaphappy wrote:
How were these exported? Are they downsampled? I deliver full res images to my clients. But based on your pics I’d say the D850 is better than the D4.
I’ve always preferred the D4’s jpgs straight off camera when shooting at 6400+
These are simple standard raw conversions via DxO photo lab 2 and 3. These were then reduced by half res and placed online. These here are considerably smaller and as you know jpgs
I use a D850, D4, and Df regularly. At ISO 6400 and above I'd give an edge to the D4 or Df, versus the D850. The difference is slight, and as said if you down sample to match the older sensor is about the same. Still something unique about the D4/Df sensor. I use the Df more than all my other cameras combined.
ohsnaphappy wrote:
Does m Raw sacrifice some dynamic range?
It sacrifices some ultimate sharpness. I wouldn't use it for, say, jewellery, but it's fine for sports and events. And with jewellery I can't see using ISO 6400 anyway...
As far as I know, from both the charts in the links and my personal experience, it gains dynamic range / reduces noise by about half a stop for a given ISO at the higher ISO settings.
Well the D850 is here from NPS and just based on some initial tests in a dark living room, I'd say the D850 is substantially better at 10k ISO than the D4. The jpgs straight off camera are pretty stunning.
Also of note, The D850 seems to have better, more natural color than the D4. That's really saying something. The D4 has substantially better color than my D810. I've never been happy with the color of the D800 or D810. But the D850 has EVEN better color than the D4.
I'm impressed.
One last thing. The D800 and D810 offered HSS up to 1/320. The D850 nope. 1/250. I'm an OCF guru, so I'm one of the few people that shoot multiple speedlights at 1/320 ALL THE TIME. Basically for ten years, lol! So it's gonna hurt dropping to 1/250. Especially with sunsets and moody skies. But the rest of the camera is so superior I think it's still worth the upgrading to the D850.
ohsnaphappy wrote:
Well the D850 is here from NPS and just based on some initial tests in a dark living room, I'd say the D850 is substantially better at 10k ISO than the D4. The jpgs straight off camera are pretty stunning.
Also of note, The D850 seems to have better, more natural color than the D4. That's really saying something. The D4 has substantially better color than my D810. I've never been happy with the color of the D800 or D810. But the D850 has EVEN better color than the D4.
I'm impressed.
One last thing. The D800 and D810 offered HSS up to 1/320. The D850 nope. 1/250. I'm an OCF guru, so I'm one of the few people that shoot multiple speedlights at 1/320 ALL THE TIME. Basically for ten years, lol! So it's gonna hurt dropping to 1/250. Especially with sunsets and moody skies. But the rest of the camera is so superior I think it's still worth the upgrading to the D850.
For wildlife subjects, one takes advantage of fleeting opportunities. So pushing up the ISO in poor light is not questioned in cases of rare sightings of endangered / elusive species, such as persecuted Blue Monkeys in central Africa.
ISO 16000 and the images still required cropping. In these examples to approx half of the original:-
The D850 has a few advantages over the D4... higher resolution w/o AA filter, BSI sensor, dual gain photosites, etc. But those really are pretty incremental/minimal in practice.
Both are FF sensors, so for any given composition/exposure they receive the same amount of light per area. Which means that for any equivalent size output the resulting images also have the same amount of light per area... the results will be very comparable.
But if you are wanting to actually benefit from the 46MP resolution at lower exposures (higher ISO, lower SNR), it's not going to happen.
I own a D850 for when I can use lower ISO's (≤1600), I own a D5 for when I can't (and only because I killed my D4).
