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Dustin Gent
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p.1 #1 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


As I am evaluating and re-evaluating my lens lineup, I have a glaring hole in my lineup; nothing wider than 35mm. I had the ZE 21, which is a fantastic lens, but found I didn't use it that much.

Recently I picked up a Leica 35-70, and being unfamiliar with Leica other than the price and IQ , I wondered what lenses they had in a zoom wider than 35-70. I came across the Leica 21-35mm ROM. Not a lot of results come up about this lens, other than sale ads.

Interesting that the 21-35mm is more expensive than the 35-70; but guessing because it is a wider focal length? $2100 is the going rate it seems for a mint copy of this lens, which is a little less than double what I paid for the 35-70.

Just wondering if anyone has used this lens?



Feb 19, 2019 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #2 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


I havent purchased, but a couple years ago I also went searching for info as I had the lens on my mind. At the wide end, it never full sharpens up in the corners, at least in the A7 series. Maybe it would on M or Z mount.


Feb 19, 2019 at 01:40 PM
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I had the lens, the lens will not be worth the asking price. Not sharp at corner on 20M 6d, lots of astigmatisms. The good thing about it is smaller size compare to SLR type but not comparing MILC offers.

For WA zoom, a modern offer make a lot more sense. This is one area of lens design get significant improvement.



Feb 19, 2019 at 01:57 PM
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p.1 #4 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


I agree with Michael that the Leica 21-35 is not really worth the asking price in terms of optical performances. For Leica R wide angle lenses, I will only consider the Leica Elmarit-R 19mm f/2,8 Ver II, and the Leica Elmarit-R 28mm f/2,0. The only zoom lens you may want to consider is the Leica WATE-M 16-80-20 lens.



Feb 19, 2019 at 04:19 PM
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p.1 #5 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


Generally agreed. It's a decent lens, but has some serious geometric distortion as you get wider. Plus the performance is not that amazing, compared to the Elmarit-R 2.8/19 v2, or the Elmarit-R 2.8/28 v2. Both of those are superlative, whereas the zoom is more like a "I'm in a bind and can only bring one lens and absolutely don't want to have to crop." kind of thing.

And yes, it's overpriced, unless you're buying a NIB one to only collect and never use, in which case it's even more overpriced.



Feb 19, 2019 at 05:08 PM
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p.1 #6 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


I did a cursory seach which brought up some informative results:

http://photo.imx.nl/leica/lenses/lenses/page88.html
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/744930/
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/951748/
https://fourbillionyears.org/leica-vario-elmar-r-21-35mm/
http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/leica2135test.html

As those links indicate, opinions about this lens are divided. The author of the review at the fourth link raves about the Vario-Elmar-R 21-35 but he seems to be alone in dismissing opinions about its poor corners at 21mm. And although the summary opinion expressed by Leica expert Erwin Puts (first link) is frequently quoted as evidence of its overall excellence:

The Vario-Elmar-R 21-35 asph has an optical performance that equals and in many cases surpasses the comparable fixed focal lengths and delivers very punchy images.

he is much less complimentary about the corner performance at 21mm:

21mm
In the center till image height 12mm (image circle 24mm) at full aperture (3.5) very high contrast and excellent edge definition of fine details. In the corners the image is softer, but quite visible. At 5.6 the image becomes very crisp with good clarity of the very fine details till but not including the far corners. Till f/11 there is no change in performance and after that the image softens a bit. Astigmatism is slight and coma and flare are well corrected. No trace of colour fringes at black-white borders. At full aperture close up performance is already fully useable, but stopping down will enhance the quality when demands are very high.


I have no idea about current prices for ROM copies of the Elmarit-R 19/2.8 v2 or the Elmarit-R 28/2.8 v2 but in your situation I would decide which of those focal lengths will see the most use and purchase that lens instead of the zoom.



Feb 19, 2019 at 07:15 PM
Dustin Gent
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p.1 #7 · Leica 21-35mm ROM


Thanks a lot for the info! Going rate for this lens is around $2400 or so. Had to look. Yikes

Is the Leica 28mm "better" than the CYZ version?



Feb 20, 2019 at 12:45 AM
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Dustin Gent wrote:
Thanks a lot for the info! Going rate for this lens is around $2400 or so. Had to look. Yikes

Is the Leica 28mm "better" than the CYZ version?


It depends on which C/Y version you’re referring to (Distagon C/Y 28/2.8 or 28/2) and which Elmarit-R 28/2.8 you’re referring to (v1 or v2). And what you mean by “better”? And how you intend to use it. And whether or not you prefer the unified “look” you get from sticking to a single brand. And which rendering you prefer: Leica or Zeiss.

The Elmarit-R 28/2.8 v2 (with the built-in lens hood) and the Distagon C/Y 28/2 (Hollywood) are acknowledged, for different reasons, as among the best 28mm SLR lenses ever. The Distagon C/Y 28/2.8 easily offers the biggest bang for the buck. I have all three but, if I had to choose one, it would be the the C/Y 28/2 because the floating element design enables it to excel up close and near wide open. (For middle-distance stopped down use I prefer the Biogon 28/2.8 ZM on a Leica.) However, nowadays I suspect the Hollywood 28/2 is overpriced and that a Classic ZE/ZF Distagon 28/2 would be a better choice. In his review of the Hollywood 28/2, John Black at PebblePlace sums it up pretty well:

Prior to the "new" Zeiss 28mm F2 Distagon ZE, I would have whole heartedly recommended the Contax 28mm F2 Distagon. But now we have a Zeiss 28mm F2 Distagon ZE in a native Canon mount with a fully automatic aperture, updated optical formula, new lens coatings optimized and full EXIF data. While I do feel the original Contax 28mm F2 has a better look or draw (mostly in its bokeh), the new ZE is a solid performing lens that can easily be purchased new and comes with a warranty - vs buying a 30 year old lens. And used prices on Zeiss 28mm F2 Distagon ZE's are incredibly cheap, so it is a tough argument (in my opinion) to justify buying the Contax 28mm F2 Distagon today.

So, if you're committed to the Leica look, you'll have to suck it up and get the Elmarit-R 28/2.8 v2 (which has a much better build quality than either of the C/Y 28mm lenses). Otherwise, I'd suggest that a Classic Distagon 28/2 in ZE/ZF/ZF.2 mount is your best choice for a Zeiss 28mm. I have the ZE version and it's a pleasure to use. (If you're wondering why I have too many 28mm lenses, it's because I never go wider than 25mm nor longer than 100/105mm, so I'm happy to have multiple alternatives at focal lengths within that range.)

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Feb 20, 2019 at 01:49 AM
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Dustin Gent wrote:
Thanks a lot for the info! Going rate for this lens is around $2400 or so. Had to look. Yikes

Is the Leica 28mm "better" than the CYZ version?


The vII? Yes, significantly, so far as higher resolution and lower distortion.



Feb 20, 2019 at 01:50 AM
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The vII? Yes, significantly, so far as higher resolution and lower distortion.


Great lens indeed but expensive these days. I compared it recently on my M10 with the current Leica M 28mm Summicron and of course, the recent (and even more expensive) lens won.




Feb 20, 2019 at 02:32 AM
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Also as a side note, the differences between the v1 and v2 versions of the Elmarit-R 2.8/19 and Elmarit-R 2.8/28 are about two full stops. That is to say, the v2 versions perform wide-open as well as, or better than, their predecessors stopped down to f/5.6. That's a lot of improvement.


Feb 20, 2019 at 02:37 AM
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Feb 20, 2019 at 08:28 AM
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Deleted. Accidentally posted before completed this posting.

Rich


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Feb 20, 2019 at 08:28 AM
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ocean2059 wrote:
I agree with Michael that the Leica 21-35 is not really worth the asking price in terms of optical performances. For Leica R wide angle lenses, I will only consider the Leica Elmarit-R 19mm f/2,8 Ver II, and the Leica Elmarit-R 28mm f/2,0. The only zoom lens you may want to consider is the Leica WATE-M 16-80-20 lens.


The WATE is 16/18/21mm. Mine is excellent, small and light. Also expensive. You need the special 67mm filter attachment (about $99) to use with the lens with filters and it replaces the lens hood. Performs well on a stock A7 series camera but even better on my A7r V3 Kolari thin sensor modded camera. I have found that f8 in particular and smaller apertures for sharp corners. Others including Fred have indicated a midfield dip in sharpness. I know that Jim Kasson prefers the Sony 12-24mm and sold his WATE after his test comparisons. But the WATE is much smaller and lighter and easier to use filters.

Below are 2 photos of Dark Hollow Falls in Shenadoah NP, VA taken on October 19, 2015 after the park had 16" of rain a short time before the photos were taken. Water of the falls was abnormally high in October due to all of the rain.

The first image tripod mounted Sony A7r and my Leica M WATE f4 lens, 21mm, ISO 50, f8,1/3 second. Exposure corrected by +0.24 Stops. The image was cropped along the left and right to create a 16" X 20" proportion, not because of the corners not being sharp but I preferred the proportions and my first photo of these falls was taken in 1992 with my Linhof Super Technika IV with my Rodenstock 90mm f6.8 Grandagon N MC on Fujichrome Velvia 50 with these proportions.

The second image tripod mounted Sony A7r and Leica M WATE f4 lens, 18mm, ISO 50, f8, 1/3 second, full frame. Exposure corrected by +0.24 Stops.

The next 4 images are 100% crops of the second image. Focus of both images was on the yellow leaf to the left side of the large rock. But, 100% crop of the second image of the lower right is sharp into the corners but is suffering from the change of shape of the large rock in the foreground,


As to the Leica R 28mm f2.8 Elmarit V2, it is an excellent performer on the stock A7 series cameras. I can provide images if you wish. Yes the newer M 28mm lenses may perform better on an M camera but they have issues certainly with a stock A7 series camera. On a Kolari modded camera I am not sure regarding the newer Kolari modded A7 series camera. For myself, I also have Minolta CLE MC 28mm M-Rokkor lens without the white spots. But it has issues with a stock and even my Kolari modded A7r V3 until stopped down for moderate to long distance images. Optimum performance of the lens into the corners is f11 or possibly f8 (not quite as good as f11). There is concern about the lens developing white spots in high heat so not such a good idea for you in Utah. For me in eastern PA, I can and will use the Minolta due to its extreme light weight (about 5.8 oz with the B+W uv filter, Minolta bayonet hood, and caps) when the temperature is or will be below about 80 degrees F to prevent the white spots from developing.

Rich





Cropped, tripod mounted Sony A7r and my Leica M WATE f4, 21mm, ISO 50, f8,1/3 second. Exposure corrected by +0.24 Stops.







Tripod mounted Sony A7r and Leica M WATE f4 lens, 18mm, ISO 50, f8, 1/3 second, full frame. Exposure corrected by +0.24 Stops.





© naturephoto1 2019


100% crop of above, lower right corner





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100% crop of above, middle center





© naturephoto1 2019


100% crop of above, top center





© naturephoto1 2019


100% crop of above, upper right corner




Feb 20, 2019 at 08:55 AM





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