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Re: R5 mkII rumors, questions


jedibrain wrote:
Saw this today https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-coming-in-q2-2023-cr2/

New 61MP CMOS BSI sensor
Dual DIGIC X processor
30 FPS electronic shutter with tracking / 12 FPS mechanical shutter
Same 8-stop IBIS
New High Resolution mode similar to pixel shift shooting found on Sony/Fujifilm
2x/4x/8x digital tele-convertor
Same Dual Pixel CMOS AF II from EOS R3 and EOS R6 Mark II
Internal 8K 60p video recording (8K RAW video spec to be confirmed)
Internal 4K 30p/60p/120p video recording (all by oversampling)
FHD 240p video recording
Focus breathing correction for video
New overheat prevention design similar to EOS R6 Mark II, at least 40min for 8K video, and over
60 min for 4K video
Dual CFexpress type B card slot
Standard HDMI port
Dual USB-C port
9.44M-dot EVF
New design of vari-angle LCD monitor optimized for video shooting
Launch time: 2023 Q2

So, rumors are rumors, but I like to talk gear and .maybe some of you do too.

My main question is, what does a BSI sensor do for rolling shutter, if anything?

I have And love the R6. Mainly shooting my daughter's sports. The speed and low file size and low ISO performance is great. And rolling shutter has not often been a problem.

But if I'm going to upgrade, an improvement in rolling shutter would be nice. Not sure the kid is going to keep playing much longer, so some MP and further low light performance may be handy for other general use. But it would still be nice to have something as sports capable as the R6.

I'd thought of saving up for a R1, but I'm no sure what it would really bring (time will tell), over something like this, besides the BSI sensor. I'm sure it will have a ton of features, but whether they are practically useful for me will remain to be seen, as well as the cost. R3 Would do it too, but at 3x the cost of the R6 and similar resolution, I'm not feeling it at it's current price. The next camera may be my last, so I'm doing a lot of thinking about what's what.



Brian


I am primarily focussed on landscape and big animals (bears, wolf, moose).

For my landscape:
- 60 mpx without AA would cause ~15% more ability to crop or print bigger vs R5 - that's good.
- it will again be a disappointment if they put the AA in it - but they likely will because of its video features. With the AA it will likely just be 5% more resolution than the 5DSR - let's hope for no aa. Combining 60v45 and no AA would increase the resolution by more than 15%.
- Weight matters - the R5 is about 750g. For hiking /backpacking, I want this low. If they increase I would not buy it.
- The R5 focus is not as easy to use s the 5DSR for landscape features -- the 2s delay and zoom to focus were more difficult to find and I gave up initially - but as pointed out below - I should have kept looking. [I normally use wired remote]
- The high resolution mode has the prospect of being handy but I doubt it will help me. In order to be useful for me it will have to turn the multiple shots into a 16b tiff in camera and save them. I rarely am satisfied with the dynamic range and always shoot AEB and blend. Thus I need high resolution tiff x 3. I know I can do this in software but I am already spending too much time processing. So, it has promise but it will likely not deliver (like Nikon and Sony) because of poor implementation (just like Sony).
- Higher screen resolution is good if they fix the software to make it useful. Eg live view focussing x 16x.
- It would be nice if they had a native iso 50 or 25 - not likely - easy to do but they have lost their way on video
- It would be nice if they had a >30s exposure that did not require bulb - not likely - easy to do but they have lost their way on video

For Big Animals:
- Bears are usually early or late. And when I find them in day, dynamic range is essential. BSI could be good to give more dynamic range at iso6400 (so I don't blow out sky when exposing for dark animals) but in the past BSI has not done much (Sony) for iso6400. Currently Canon is pretty close to Sony at iso 6400 without BSI. Let's hope Canon has a better outcome.
- 12 fps is as much as I need. I have never used the 20fps.
- 1 cfexpress card is as much as I need. And the sd I have is fast enough that I barely notice it being slower on R5
- 60mpx is better than 45mpx but not much (15%). This is okay but does not move my dial.
- the digital zoom already exists re 1.6x mode - don't see what more I get from what is described.
- I am not likely to buy R5II for my big animals unless IBIS really delivers at iso 6400.

Let's hope the next iteration puts some attention to still photography. That said the R5 that I have on balance is the best camera I have seen (d850 was good but it does not do af nearly as well, 5dsr for strictly still is /was better but heavy and it did not do wildlife as well). So my R5 whining is just whining. I am happy to stick with it until R5III or if I am surprised by R5II.



Dec 03, 2022 at 01:28 PM
Scott Stoness
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Re: R5 mkII rumors, questions


jedibrain wrote:
Saw this today https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-coming-in-q2-2023-cr2/

New 61MP CMOS BSI sensor
Dual DIGIC X processor
30 FPS electronic shutter with tracking / 12 FPS mechanical shutter
Same 8-stop IBIS
New High Resolution mode similar to pixel shift shooting found on Sony/Fujifilm
2x/4x/8x digital tele-convertor
Same Dual Pixel CMOS AF II from EOS R3 and EOS R6 Mark II
Internal 8K 60p video recording (8K RAW video spec to be confirmed)
Internal 4K 30p/60p/120p video recording (all by oversampling)
FHD 240p video recording
Focus breathing correction for video
New overheat prevention design similar to EOS R6 Mark II, at least 40min for 8K video, and over
60 min for 4K video
Dual CFexpress type B card slot
Standard HDMI port
Dual USB-C port
9.44M-dot EVF
New design of vari-angle LCD monitor optimized for video shooting
Launch time: 2023 Q2

So, rumors are rumors, but I like to talk gear and .maybe some of you do too.

My main question is, what does a BSI sensor do for rolling shutter, if anything?

I have And love the R6. Mainly shooting my daughter's sports. The speed and low file size and low ISO performance is great. And rolling shutter has not often been a problem.

But if I'm going to upgrade, an improvement in rolling shutter would be nice. Not sure the kid is going to keep playing much longer, so some MP and further low light performance may be handy for other general use. But it would still be nice to have something as sports capable as the R6.

I'd thought of saving up for a R1, but I'm no sure what it would really bring (time will tell), over something like this, besides the BSI sensor. I'm sure it will have a ton of features, but whether they are practically useful for me will remain to be seen, as well as the cost. R3 Would do it too, but at 3x the cost of the R6 and similar resolution, I'm not feeling it at it's current price. The next camera may be my last, so I'm doing a lot of thinking about what's what.



Brian


I am primarily focussed on landscape and big animals (bears, wolf, moose).

For my landscape:
- 60 mpx without AA would cause ~15% more ability to crop or print bigger vs R5 - that's good.
- it will again be a disappointment if they put the AA in it - but they likely will because of its video features. With the AA it will likely just be 5% more resolution than the 5DSR - let's hope for no aa. Combining 60v45 and no AA would increase the resolution by more than 15%.
- Weight matters - the R5 is about 750g. For hiking /backpacking, I want this low. If they increase I would not buy it.
- The R5 focus is not as good as the 5DSR for landscape features - with 5DSR you could zoom in x16 and manually focus for precision. I like the focus assist in the R5 but it lacks lots of 5DSR useful menu features. I hope this is fixed. As well R5 does not have shutter delay (2s after pressing button) which was very helpful on 5DSR, when I am alternating landscape and wildlife and don't want to plug in the wired remote or forget it or am backpacking.
- The high resolution mode has the prospect of being handy but I doubt it will help me. In order to be useful for me it will have to turn the multiple shots into a 16b tiff in camera and save them. I rarely am satisfied with the dynamic range and always shoot AEB and blend. Thus I need high resolution tiff x 3. I know I can do this in software but I am already spending too much time processing. So, it has promise but it will likely not deliver (like Nikon and Sony) because of poor implementation (just like Sony).
- Higher screen resolution is good if they fix the software to make it useful. Eg live view focussing x 16x.
- It would be nice if they had a native iso 50 or 25 - not likely - easy to do but they have lost their way on video
- It would be nice if they had a >30s exposure that did not require bulb - not likely - easy to do but they have lost their way on video

For Big Animals:
- Bears are usually early or late. And when I find them in day, dynamic range is essential. BSI could be good to give more dynamic range at iso6400 (so I don't blow out sky when exposing for dark animals) but in the past BSI has not done much (Sony) for iso6400. Currently Canon is pretty close to Sony at iso 6400 without BSI. Let's hope Canon has a better outcome.
- 12 fps is as much as I need. I have never used the 20fps.
- 1 cfexpress card is as much as I need. And the sd I have is fast enough that I barely notice it being slower on R5
- 60mpx is better than 45mpx but not much (15%). This is okay but does not move my dial.
- the digital zoom already exists re 1.6x mode - don't see what more I get from what is described.
- I am not likely to buy R5II for my big animals unless IBIS really delivers at iso 6400.

Let's hope the next iteration puts some attention to still photography. That said the R5 that I have on balance is the best camera I have seen (d850 was good but it does not do af nearly as well, 5dsr for strictly still is /was better but heavy and it did not do wildlife as well). So my R5 whining is just whining. I am happy to stick with it until R5III or if I am surprised by R5II.



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