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p.1 #1 · Comparing WA zooms


I took a couple of quick shots this afternoon to (hopefully) test out differences in my 17-35/2.8 and the 16-35/2.8 I just got. I also compared the 16-35/2.8 owned by another guy here on the forum, Girish.

These were taken at f/2.8 and ISO 200. I used f/2.8, simply to see any differences when wide-open. Shutter speed shouldn't have been a problem. I think it was on the order of 1/6400 second. Wow!

Here's a small crop taken out of the center, going off towards the right. In all pictures, I focused on the blue flame.

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/wa_compare_28.jpg


These are the original files. They're pretty darned big (2.2 MB each). For those with fast connections.

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/16-35_girish.jpg

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/16-35_david.jpg

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/17-35_david.jpg

What do you think?



Aug 17, 2002 at 04:30 PM
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p.1 #2 · Comparing WA zooms


OK, here's some up-close-and-personal tests at f/2.8

Subject distance about 18" at 20mm

I didn't move the camera between shots, just replaced the lens. I also shot these again, just to double-check results, and make sure that camera movement between shots wasn't fooling me. I shot 16-35, 17-35, 17-35, 16-35. I'm just uploading the first two shots.

Clearly the 17-35 is the winner here. In the center, the sharpness is similar, but the contrast on the 17-35 is better. On the edges (esp. the right edge), the 17-35 is clearly sharper.

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/16-35_28_1.jpg

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/17-35_28_1.jpg

Warning -- images are over 3 MB each.




Aug 17, 2002 at 05:36 PM
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p.1 #3 · Comparing WA zooms


To compare flare, I took some picture of a setting sun (well, OK, almost an hour before sunset). Nothing spectacular about the images . . it was the closest place I could find to get the sun in a position to cause bad flare in both lenses.

I guess which is "better" just depends on how you like your flare distributed around the frame.

First the 17-35:

http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/flare_17-35.jpg

Next the 16-35:

http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/flare_16-35.jpg



Aug 17, 2002 at 07:34 PM
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p.1 #4 · Comparing WA zooms


David, it seems like it would be pretty difficult to avoid flare when using those super wide angles lenses. The same goes for the 14mm primes.

I would avoid including the sun in the frame at all costs. Bob



Aug 17, 2002 at 10:50 PM
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p.1 #5 · Comparing WA zooms


Bob Lovallo wrote:
I would avoid including the sun in the frame at all costs.


So much for wide-angle sunset landscapes.



Aug 17, 2002 at 10:51 PM
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We should not get much flare shooting sunsets when the sun is almost completely down. However if the sun is still strong and in the frame, flare is very hard to contain with a 16mm lens...


Aug 21, 2002 at 04:03 AM
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p.1 #7 · Comparing WA zooms


WIll you compare you new 16-35 with the old one? Interesting results but the two 16-35 lenses appear to be identical in image quality in the first set of tests


Aug 21, 2002 at 10:04 AM
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p.1 #8 · Comparing WA zooms


DavidP wrote:
IWhat do you think?

Hmm... I think they're shot in different light?



Aug 21, 2002 at 11:39 PM
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p.1 #9 · Comparing WA zooms


Jan Yes they are in different light but the sharpness of the two 16-35s are similar.


Aug 21, 2002 at 11:41 PM
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mark1958 wrote:
Jan Yes they are in different light but the sharpness of the two 16-35s are similar.

You wrote the contrast on the 17-35 is better, but you tested it in higher contrast light than the two 16-35s.



Aug 22, 2002 at 02:20 AM
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DavidP wrote:
OK, here's some up-close-and-personal tests at f/2.8

Subject distance about 18" at 20mm

I didn't move the camera between shots, just replaced the lens. I also shot these again, just to double-check results, and make sure that camera movement between shots wasn't fooling me. I shot 16-35, 17-35, 17-35, 16-35. I'm just uploading the first two shots.

Clearly the 17-35 is the winner here. In the center, the sharpness is similar, but the contrast on the 17-35 is better. On the edges (esp. the right edge), the 17-35 is clearly sharper.

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/16-35_28_1.jpg

www.neonlightsimaging.com/images/17-35_28_1.jpg

Warning -- images are over 3 MB each.



Close up tests wide open on a flat surface objects is not very wise thing to do, because the focal plane of the lens is not flat but spherical so the edges are automatically out of focus.
The radius of the spherical focal plane also may differ with differnert lenses.
Because of that also the short DOF will be a problem with these kind of tests.
Only qenuine macro lenses have flat focal plane.



Aug 22, 2002 at 02:39 AM
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Hmm... I think they're shot in different light?


Shot one right after the other. I used daylight WB on all of them, to be consistent.

There were clouds in the sky, so perhaps the sun was behind the clouds for one shot?

Also, the 17-35 had a UV filter on it. The two 16-35's didn't.



Aug 22, 2002 at 08:19 AM
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You wrote the contrast on the 17-35 is better, but you tested it in higher contrast light than the two 16-35s.


I was judging contrast from the indoor shots of the newspaper. Same light for each shot there. Only difference would be that the 17-35 had a UV filter on it.



Aug 22, 2002 at 08:20 AM
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reittila wrote:
Close up tests wide open on a flat surface objects is not very wise thing to do, because the focal plane of the lens is not flat but spherical so the edges are automatically out of focus.
The radius of the spherical focal plane also may differ with differnert lenses.


Well, the lenses are *supposed* to have field-flatteners built into them. Apparently the 17-35/2.8 has a better one than this 16-35/2.8 does.



Aug 22, 2002 at 08:22 AM
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I noticed that your printing came out better in the first link 3rd pic the 17-35. Your printing was excellent.
LM



Aug 23, 2002 at 06:00 PM
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Jan Brittenson wrote:
You wrote the contrast on the 17-35 is better, but you tested it in higher contrast light than the two 16-35s.

Whoops, my bad! David wrote about the contrast, not you Mark! :cowsleep:



Aug 23, 2002 at 07:38 PM





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