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Stumbled on these while looking for something else. What do you know--now there appears to be a second producer of lever-release clamps for Arca Swiss style plates, at about half the price being charged by the other guys. Are they only half the quality? I have no idea, and do have all the clamps I need at present--but if anybody tries these, I hope we get a report.

An appealing feature of these clamps is that they are adjustable to accommodate off-spec plates. Nice. Available with either 50mm or 60mm jaws:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNWAYFOTO-50mm-Lever-Clamp-Arca-Compat-DDC-50LR-Sunway-/190443727367?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5754aa07

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sunway-60mm-Lever-Clamp-Arca-Compatible-DDC-60LR-NEW-/190432777377?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c56ad94a1

(In case those links expire, the manufacturer is "Sunway" or "Sunwayfoto" and the eBay vendor is "oeccamera")

--Chris



Dec 09, 2010 at 04:21 PM
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this would be dcains forte


Dec 09, 2010 at 04:23 PM
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Do they now fit Arca-Swiss B series heads (and presumbaly others using the same spec) heads? When I tried an version of their panning clamp earlier this year it turned out that they made the anti-rotation slot on the bottom of the head a little too small for the "key"; Otherwise nicely made.


Dec 09, 2010 at 04:35 PM
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Markins has also introduced an adj. lever plate

http://www.markinsamerica.com/MA5/QS.php?req=QL48

although I may not be too crazy about how the lever hangs out in the closed position (reverse of the RRS lever)



Dec 09, 2010 at 04:55 PM
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remember markins makes roughly the same statement as RRS does about the use of lever clamps and plates

Note: We recommend the lever style release only if one has plates from single maker. It is known that different brands have different sizes of Arca-Swiss style plates. Though Markins' lever release quickshoe is adaptable to accommodate different brands of plates, it won't be practical to do so in the field with mixed brands of plates. We strongly recommend to use a single brand of plates with this lever release quickshoe. With mixed brands of plates, the traditional screw-knob style quickshoe will be more flexible



Dec 09, 2010 at 08:15 PM
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+1 to Steve's comments. The universality of fit is why I prefer the screw knob tightening over lever lock designs.


Dec 09, 2010 at 08:22 PM
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fair enough. just interesting to see the lever get more market traction


Dec 09, 2010 at 11:52 PM
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Regardless of what the makers say, in practice I mount plates from Kirk, RRS, Hejnar, and Wimberly in my RRS lever release clamp all the time. Out of at least two dozen assorted plates, I've found only one whose fit is anything other than perfect, that one one is a tad snug. It's an early model from one of the above makers, and does not appear to represent their current production. I also have screw clamps from RRS, Kirk, and Wimberly. Both styles of clamp have their place in my work, but universality of fit has, for me, turned out to be a non-issue.

I think the Markins statement is quite a bit different from the RRS one. Markins tells us that while their lever clamp is adjustable, doing it in the field is not practical, so they recommend sticking with one brand--any brand--of plate. RRS's clamp is not adjustable at all, so they recomend sticking with the RRS brand plates only. But notwithstanding their statement, as explained I haven't found their clamp to be so finicky.

The Sunway lever clamp, as illustrated in their moving images, is not only adjustable, but appears to be easy adjust on the fly. How well that works in practice, of course, remains to be reported. I also see that it has a "safety lock," which I assume helps prevent the lever from opening via inadvertant snagging. I can't tell from the images how this works, though.

Pretty cool to see three players now in the lever clamp game. Howard, I didn't know about the Markins product. Thanks for the heads up.



Dec 10, 2010 at 12:14 AM
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I've got one of the Sunwayfoto lever clamps, as well as a pair of RRS lever clamps.

The Sunwayforo clamp works as you would expect, and holds any plate (RRS and Kirk) I have firmly. It is adjustable (without tools), but I wouldn't wouldn't want to have to use that feature regularly, as it makes more sense to have all my plates of one dimension. The lever arm is reversible, which is a nice feature. The lever arm is also short, unlikely to get caught on anything, and has a safety button to prevent accidental release. But, because of those things, it takes a bit more effort to release when you want it to.

Both clamps have grooves for safety stops, if your plates have them. Both clamps can be opened either halfway (to allow repositioning of the plate), or all the way (to allow insertion or removal of a plate from above). Both clamps have a bullseye level visible with a plate mounted. Neither clamp will come apart of its own accord, all parts on both are captive, and both are nicely-finished.

The RRS clamp is non-adjustable, and its longer curved lever makes it easier operate. I suppose one might open accidentally, but I haven't heard of such an event. The RRS also has index markings (as on their plates) which can be used for precise plate positioning, and the RRS is available with different mounting hole configurations and clamp lengths.

I think that about covers the technical differences. I haven't used a Markins lever clamp, but did replace their screw clamp on my Q3 with an RRS lever clamp. My personal preference is for the RRS, maybe because it's what I've been using for a long while, and truth be told, it's a more elegant and pleasing design.

EDIT: AFAIK there are 4 manufacturers with lever clamps, as Arca-Swiss has had theirs for a few years now.



Dec 10, 2010 at 12:58 AM
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Very informative--thanks, Dean!


Dec 10, 2010 at 01:40 AM
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dcains wrote:


The RRS also has index markings (as on their plates) which can be used for precise plate positioning, and the RRS is available with different mounting hole configurations and clamp lengths.
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I received a Sunway lever clamp a few days ago. (the 60mm version).

Just to comment on the above, the clamp I received is also very nicely indexed (on both sides) just as the RSS clamp is.

I guess it's possible that this feature was added after the above post, or maybe since this clamp comes in three sizes (40, 50 and 60mm), maybe we have different size clamps and the smaller clamps are not indexed.??

The clamp seems very well made and designed. I had actually first chosen to buy the round "disk" Sunway clamp because even though I preferred the idea of a lever clamp rather than the traditional screw-in tighteners, I was put off by the spirit level on the lever clamp not being integral to the design - it appeared on the sites (both Ebay and Amazon) to be screwed onto the side of the clamp. The "disk" version has the level in the clamp itself.- as is more traditional.

After receiving the round clamp, while being impressed with the very high degree of apparent finish and workmanship and perfect "look" for my particular ball head, the spirit level was too small for me to see without reading glasses - which I don't use when I'm working with my cameras.

. I wrote to OEC (the only seller I am aware of in the US that sells Sunway at the moment) and was told the spirit level on the 60mm lever clamp was significantly larger than on the round clamp. I ordered it, the level is twice the size and while it is screwed onto the side of the clamp, it is as solid as I believe is possible. And certainly more useful than the Merkin's level which is under any mounted plate rendering it invisible.

All in all, I am impressed with the quality of the two clamps I got from Sunway.

I also have found no need to adjust the clamp for any of the several brands of QR plates I have from RSS, Kirk, A/S and one I think is from Induro or some other Chines manufacturer.

. All fit perfectly but adjustment seems very easy and I doubt that if needed to be done "on the fly" would present any problems. I was a bit hesitant to get a brand of clamp I was not familiar with and made in China - I knew I could return it if not satisfied so I took a chance.

I needed to trust the clamp to hold the plates on several very expensive lenses...this was a second reason for choosing the "disk" clamp from Sunway at first - it looked bomb-proof. But after receiving the 60mm Sunway lever clamp, I have no doubts at all that it will safely and securely hold any of my lenses in addition to the the added weight (and value) of a 1D Canon camera.

Wow, my first post on FM






Apr 01, 2011 at 04:53 PM
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Delija wrote:
Wow, my first post on FM


And a very informative post it is. Thank you!



Apr 01, 2011 at 04:59 PM
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Chris S. wrote:
And a very informative post it is. Thank you!


Thanks for the kind words! I hope to be able to contribute what I can and learn what I can - Seems like the I'm in the right place for that in regards to photography.

Peace,
D.





Apr 02, 2011 at 03:39 AM
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dcains wrote:
EDIT: AFAIK there are 4 manufacturers with lever clamps, as Arca-Swiss has had theirs for a few years now.


I have a lever clamp from Gitzo also

http://www.pbase.com/larsjohnsson/image/132924410/original.jpg



Apr 02, 2011 at 04:48 AM
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Lars Johnsson wrote:
I have a lever clamp from Gitzo also



Very cool looking clamp, but the mounting plate doesn't appear to be an Arca Swiss type plate. Maybe it is compatible if the dovetail is the same size and same angle, but I haven't seen any A/S plates without a double dovetail design before. (Also from what I understand, which could certainly be wrong, Gitzo, like Manfrotto/Bogen and some others uses proprietary QR plates).

Looking at the Gitzo web-site, apparently they offer an adapter that will allow the use of A/S type plates.

Below is a quote from the Gitzo site:
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This classic adapter features our double safety system to prevent accidental drops of your equipment and a convenient leveling spirit bubble. It is suitable for all C-profile Quick Release Gitzo plates and it is also compatible to 'Arca Style' Quick Release plates when used together with the adapter GS5160CDT. It can be attached by means of a 3/8” bolt and it features an anti-rotation screw. It comes with a square Quick Release C-profile plate. The G2285MB is made of 'noir decor' powder coated aluminium.



Apr 17, 2011 at 01:13 AM
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AS to Gitzo adapter
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/532339-REG/Gitzo_GS5160CDT_GS5160CDT_Arca_Swiss_Type_Plate.html

of course the standard disclaimer:
Note! Although this adapter is meant to accept Arca-type plates, according to our tests Novoflex brand plates fit best. Please note that not all manufacturers follow exactelly the same measurments for Arca-type plates.



Apr 17, 2011 at 09:43 AM
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Same old lever problems.

EBH



Apr 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
Same old lever problems.

EBH


Actually this clamp don't have the "Same old lever problem"

If you look at the image you can see the small screw inside the lever. You adjust how wide you like the clamp opening to be with that screw. So if you change to a lens/camera plate that is smaller or larger you just adjust it



Apr 17, 2011 at 11:00 AM
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sjms wrote:
AS to Gitzo adapter
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/532339-REG/Gitzo_GS5160CDT_GS5160CDT_Arca_Swiss_Type_Plate.html

of course the standard disclaimer:
Note! Although this adapter is meant to accept Arca-type plates, according to our tests Novoflex brand plates fit best. Please note that not all manufacturers follow exactelly the same measurments for Arca-type plates.


Yes I own that adapter also. And the ballhead is great for long lenses. More solid/stable than my BH-55 or Arca Z1 heads. With it's small tilt it's very similar to the Burzynski head



Apr 17, 2011 at 11:12 AM
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Chris S. wrote:
Regardless of what the makers say, in practice I mount plates from Kirk, RRS, Hejnar, and Wimberly in my RRS lever release clamp all the time. Out of at least two dozen assorted plates, I've found only one whose fit is anything other than perfect, that one one is a tad snug. It's an early model from one of the above makers, and does not appear to represent their current production. I also have screw clamps from RRS, Kirk, and Wimberly. Both styles of clamp have their place in my work, but universality of fit has, for me, turned
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when you use a RRS/Wimberley plate with a RRS lever clamp there has been some thought in how it interfaces. it is designed to apply approx 50lbs of clamping pressure on the plate or higher. not so much as to possibly damage the clamping assy or make it overly difficult to complete the lever throw or loose so you might not trust it.
this is why they recommend theirs or wimberleys products. they are both identical and consistantly dimensioned products.

with the adjustable there is no consistant control over the ultimate clamping force. it is in the hands of the end user which can be less then consistant. what RRS offers is consistancy. now having adjustbility is great as long as you realize that there are limits. there are those out there that know no boundries for tight or loose. RRS eliminates that factor by doing what they have done. in the long run its just another option.

what RRS offers is a fact. the fact is if you use RRS or Wimberley plates with their clamp they will perform as designed and consistantly. you have the option as the end user to put whatever you want in it and it may work well or not.

with an adjustable plate you the end user are responsible for the consistancy and ultimate settings for your plates so for that reason using one brand for (hopefully)consistant dimensioning is to your advantage.

not so different after all.



Apr 18, 2011 at 08:46 AM





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