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meh.


Nov 04, 2010 at 01:52 AM
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/1011/10110405panasonicgf2.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonicdmcgf2/






Nov 04, 2010 at 07:50 AM
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Dissapointing.

Whereas the GF1 was unashamedly a camera for enthusiast photographers, the GF2 is now aimed much more at compact camera owners looking for an upgrade.

That's a shame.


One slightly unexpected marketing change is that the GF2 will not be bundled with the 20mm F1.7 pancake lens, but instead come with a choice of either the latest 14-42mm zoom, the diminutive 14mm F2.5 pancake, or in a twin lens kit with both. We're a bit mystified by this decision, to be honest - yes the 14mm gives the smallest possible package, but as far as we're concerned the stop-faster 20mm is a much more useful all-rounder

Did Panasonic hire some laid off Canon managers?



Nov 04, 2010 at 08:22 AM
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I'm disappointed, but at the same time happy since I have zero urge to upgrade my GF-1.


Nov 04, 2010 at 10:00 AM
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ryankarr wrote:
I'm disappointed, but at the same time happy since I have zero urge to upgrade my GF-1.


I have the same feelings. I'm happy with my GF1 so I'm honestly not too bummed, but it feels like its the end of a very short lived era. Seems the GF1 is the closest I ever will get to a digital Contax G1/2.

Although I may get one for the 14mm and sell the body.



Nov 04, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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abam wrote:
meh.



That about sums it up.




Nov 04, 2010 at 10:33 AM
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My GF-1 picture quality impressed me so much (even after owning the 5D and the D3x) that I decided to get another Panasonic camera for my coming family trip as a backup.

Although I had already ordered the HDC-TM700 (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-HDC-TM700-Camcorder-Review-37681.htm?top3) about a week ago and is to receive it within a day or two, I sure do not regret it after reading this post.

The TM700 will give me full HD video at 1080/60p and a Maximum Native Resolution of 3600 x 2400 (3:2) which is about 8.2 MPixel still pictures.

Now I got the GF-1 for general use, the 5D for low light (iso up to 3200) and high speed (zone focusing) which I am very good with it by now, and the TM700 for video and still while on the go. All these at a weight no more than if I am to carry the D3x with all the lenses and accessaries and also its backup.

One have to decide what is good for work and what is good for fun so as not to have to carry a big and heavy piece of brick like the 1D or D3 series and miss all the fun.

After all if those full HD video clips and those 8 MPixel and above pictures are good, I can even put it up for sale as advertisements. Another plus!

Now, I trully hoped that Panasonic will continue to provide full support for the GF-1 because it is trully a classic like the Rollei 35s.



Nov 04, 2010 at 11:17 AM
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It would have been foolish for Panasonic to not have a cheap and compact model to attract the beginners. Panasonic in past has focused too much on enthusiasts where the largest market to tap is the consumer market. And on the bright side I am pretty sure that by turning GF2 into more of an entry level m43, Panasonic has created room for another line between the DSLR like GXX cameras and ultra-small GF2.


Nov 04, 2010 at 12:54 PM
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curious80 wrote:
It would have been foolish for Panasonic to not have a cheap and compact model to attract the beginners. Panasonic in past has focused too much on enthusiasts where the largest market to tap is the consumer market.


+1.
Dont be perplexed folks; we are not the GF2's target market.
Its the same continuation that Oly did from the E-P1 and E-P2 to the E-PL1: smaller, simpler, cheaper.



Nov 04, 2010 at 02:01 PM
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abam wrote:
meh.


++++++++ 1



Nov 04, 2010 at 02:47 PM
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abam wrote:
meh.




Should each and every camera and/or lens that Panasonic chooses to introduce into their lineup interest each and every one of us ?

I just don't get some folks attitudes where if its something they personally don't like, it therefore sucks.

Can a large company not have a wide range of camera models so that everyone can find something at their given price point, feature set requirements and so forth ?

You all do realize that Panasonic is not trying to design a camera model specifically for YOU right ?

You also realize that they aren't putting out something that you don't want just to piss you off and ruin your day as well ? (though given some responses on other forums I've been reading its amazing how upset some people are over this)


I personally think it could be a great little second camera to go along with my GH1 (and on order GH2) if the price is right.

I think the GH series is the most practical overall design, but maybe for just a night on the town that little GF2 with a 14 or 20mm could be pretty handy.

Had a GF1 for a while, it was too big and I always just wanted to carry the GH1 if I was taking anything.

This could be a case where less really is more, if its priced right.



Nov 04, 2010 at 03:38 PM
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Meh is an indication of indifferent.. not a derisive comment, at least in my understanding.

I think that blasting away on someone for saying meh is a bit harsh.. he didn't say

"OMFGLMAO that thing is a disaster!"

I agree with the meh.. 18% space saving, loss of a mode dial, same sensor, etc.. not a compelling upgrade. It's not a bad camera though by any stretch.. it's just

meh



Nov 04, 2010 at 04:06 PM
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I think "meh" sums it up well with the enthusiest crowd. Unless you're on a certain other forum where this is their version of the apocolypse.

millsart, in this case they switched the target market of the GF series between generations without warning. Of course people will be upset.




Nov 04, 2010 at 04:24 PM
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ryankarr wrote:
millsart, in this case they switched the target market of the GF series between generations without warning. Of course people will be upset.



+1 I think this is the issue. One would think a "GF2" would be an upgrade over the previous model aimed at the exact same enthusiast market. That would likely mean a noticeably upgraded sensor and not include the removal of physical controls that the original buyers liked.

This looks like a fine camera, Panasonic just named it wrong and in doing so made a marketing blunder. Now the question is what will the real, improved GF2 be called (the one that includes the GH2 multi aspect sensor thank you)?



Nov 04, 2010 at 06:13 PM
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millsart wrote:
Should each and every camera and/or lens that Panasonic chooses to introduce into their lineup interest each and every one of us ?

I just don't get some folks attitudes where if its something they personally don't like, it therefore sucks.

Can a large company not have a wide range of camera models so that everyone can find something at their given price point, feature set requirements and so forth ?

You all do realize that Panasonic is not trying to design a camera model specifically for YOU right ?

You also realize that they aren't putting out something that you don't want just
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I find it really annoying whenever the majority of us have a similar distaste for a new camera because it is disappointing in many ways then someone comes along and tries to "put us in our humble little place".

As far as us expecting a camera company designing a camera for us, as a matter of fact, yes, that is exactly what they need to be doing. If we want amateur cameras with amateur features, there are plenty of companies who supply a plethora of these. Just step into any Walmart, Best Buy, Target or corner drug store and you will see dozens of these little gimmicky point and shoot cameras on sale. Panasonic attracted most of us "enthusiasts" with its LX series and its GF1. Panasonic seemed a cut above the rest. Panasonic had potential.

For years all the camera manufacturers have catered to amateurs, including Canon and Nikon. Yes, that's where they make their money. Agreed. But turning a potential rising star like the GF1 into an amateur video camera? That was unnecessary. Have you seen how many different camera models Panasonic currently produces? Why couldn't they have either just added another camera to their line up with the video "features" of the GF2? Why not leave the GF series to those few of us who were willing to invest a bit more to get better image quality? Nikon and Canon have their pro line and their amateur line of camera and lenses and they are much smaller companies than Panasonic.

I am disappointed with Panasonic and I refuse to accept your explanation of why they don't need to cater to us. I don't plan on buying a GF2; that will be my humble way of letting Panasonic know that I am disappointed with their marketing choice.



Nov 04, 2010 at 06:24 PM
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snegron wrote:
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For years all the camera manufacturers have catered to amateurs, including Canon and Nikon. Yes, that's where they make their money. Agreed. But turning a potential rising star like the GF1 into an amateur video camera? That was unnecessary. Have you seen how many different camera models Panasonic currently produces? Why couldn't they have either just added another camera to their line up with the video "features" of the GF2? Why not leave the GF series to those few of us who were willing to invest a bit more to get better image quality? Nikon and Canon have their pro
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Agreed.

Even though I've only owned the GF-1 for a short time I've been quite impressed by its IQ, especially in such a small, well built package - even compared with my 5d2.

To call what they are offering now a "GF-2" is an insult to the GF-1.




Nov 04, 2010 at 07:55 PM
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millsart wrote:
Should each and every camera and/or lens that Panasonic chooses to introduce into their lineup interest each and every one of us ?

I just don't get some folks attitudes where if its something they personally don't like, it therefore sucks.

Can a large company not have a wide range of camera models so that everyone can find something at their given price point, feature set requirements and so forth ?

You all do realize that Panasonic is not trying to design a camera model specifically for YOU right ?

You also realize that they aren't putting out something that you don't want just
...Show more

What a parade of useless truisms. A forum is a place to express opinions, which in this case are germane to a camera company's product direction. The fact that Panasonic didn't intend to disappoint, serve, or otherwise cater to me specifically doesn't really change the fact that a lot of people are disappointed by a camera that does not serve or otherwise cater to their needs/desires. If people want to complain in public, let them. I for one can understand why the GF-2 announcement failed to excite.

The original GF1, and now the GH2, are trendsetting cameras. If I wanted a low-end µ4/3d, Olympus is doing a fine job providing with the EPL1. I would liked to have seen a little more courage from Panasonic on this release. The camera as announced is barely an upgrade to the GF1, and hardly a reason for any Olympus user to consider moving to a Panasonic body.

Arka C.



Nov 05, 2010 at 04:37 AM
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make the same lens with infinity stop and a distance scale and I will buy 2 of them, and 2 cameras in different colours. Add a built in optical VF with an RF in it and I will buy Panasonic shares.

As is now...
meh



Nov 05, 2010 at 05:47 AM
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Never liked the GF-1 in the first place - without an optical ( a proper ) VF it was little more than a camera phone with interchangable lenses......


Nov 05, 2010 at 06:07 AM
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All I can say is Olympus will surely make the most of this oversight. I believe they are working on an advanced m4/3 camera. Whatever happens I expect the EP-3 to be the camera many were hoping for from Panasonic..

I'm still not convinced they won't release a true successor to the GF-1.



Nov 05, 2010 at 06:17 AM
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